The Conservative Party - Part Two.

[ECCOnoob 1,053]

Just now, Anna B said:

I do think Labour will probably win, but not by a huge margin. The vote is split so many ways now, no one will win by a huge margin.

 

Penny Mordant is very personable and a woman, which brings comparisons with Thatcher, arguably the most successful of the Conservatives leaders. Mordent has similar qualities, albeit untested, that will appeal to a number of people. 

 

Starmer is the opposite - a bit of a wet lettuce, and no orator. Well meaning but not particularly inspiring. The media will do the rest, to undermine him. He's not particularly inspiring. If undecided, the average voter, has a wide choice of alternatives without voting Labour or Conservative.  

 

Couldn't that potentially be a good thing though. More variety in the house rather than just single party dominance.   

 

Isn't that what some people have been crying out for?

[Axe 836]

5 hours ago, Organgrinder said:

Excuses,   excuses,   excuses,    again and again.     about the only thing that tories are good at.

I only contribute facts.   

[PRESLEY 1,233]

1 hour ago, Axe said:

I only contribute facts.   

 The funniest post ever posted on the forum.   

[hackey lad 3,995]

2 hours ago, Anna B said:

I do think Labour will probably win, but not by a huge margin. The vote is split so many ways now, no one will win by a huge margin.

 

Penny Mordant is very personable and a woman, which brings comparisons with Thatcher, arguably the most successful of the Conservatives leaders. Mordent has similar qualities, albeit untested, that will appeal to a number of people. 

 

Starmer is the opposite - a bit of a wet lettuce, and no orator. Well meaning but not particularly inspiring. The media will do the rest, to undermine him. He's not particularly inspiring. If undecided, the average voter, has a wide choice of alternatives without voting Labour or Conservative.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't know about the Media undermining him , you do a good job of it . 

[El Cid 221]

1 hour ago, hackey lad said:

Don't know about the Media undermining him , you do a good job of it . 

Labour types that say such things are parroting the media, we are all influenced by the media. 

[GabrielC 58]

3 hours ago, Anna B said:

I do think Labour will probably win, but not by a huge margin. The vote is split so many ways now, no one will win by a huge margin.

 

Penny Mordant is very personable and a woman, which brings comparisons with Thatcher, arguably the most successful of the Conservatives leaders. Mordent has similar qualities, albeit untested, that will appeal to a number of people. 

 

Starmer is the opposite - a bit of a wet lettuce, and no orator. Well meaning but not particularly inspiring. The media will do the rest, to undermine him. He's not particularly inspiring. If undecided, the average voter, has a wide choice of alternatives without voting Labour or Conservative.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

Penny Mordant is no Thatcher but more like Liz's Truss how did that end?  If Sunak is removed before the general election and somehow Mordant wins a leadership contest the Tories would get a bump in the polls but not enough to win. Sunak has had the time to try and repair the damage done by Johnson and  Truss but instead did nothing to regain voters trust. 

 

Starmer who you want to rubbish will do better than you think he has got better at Prime Minister's Question Time. Starmer is more focused and targeting the issues that matter - cost of living along with social justice. He has made the party electable unlike the rambling fool before him who delivered the worst election result in the party's history. The party went too far left for the electorate Starmer has returned the party to the centre left its time to stop attacking him and listen.

[steved32 55]

Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss, Sunak...

 

Who with a single brain cell could ever vote for this lot?

 

Do they think the electorate is stupid?

 

Well, Brexit was voted in.   Maybe "the electorate" is stupid.

 

If you think the following are better, then by all means vote for Richie Rich:

 

NHS, dentistry, education, mortgages, rental housing, roads, retail... and, the honesty, transparency, integrity of our (unelected) PM and his sycophants.

 

 

[Axe 836]

11 minutes ago, steved32 said:

Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss, Sunak...

 

Who with a single brain cell could ever vote for this lot?

 

Do they think the electorate is stupid?

 

Well, Brexit was voted in.   Maybe "the electorate" is stupid.

 

If you think the following are better, then by all means vote for Richie Rich:

 

NHS, dentistry, education, mortgages, rental housing, roads, retail... and, the honesty, transparency, integrity of our (unelected) PM and his sycophants.

 

 

A poor contribution.  Millions voted in general elections for Cameron, May and Johnson.  Millions voted for Brexit.  

 

To label people who vote for politicians  or an issue you don't personally support as not having a single brain cell or being stupid is beyond immature.  I label you in the category of "throwing your toys out of the pram"

[Mister M 1,632]

9 hours ago, Axe said:

The Labour government inherited an unprecedented good economy in 1997. However they failed to mend the roof when the sunshine was shining to use the words of George Osbourne. The global banking crisis was not the fault of the Labour government.  The Tory government inherited the damage the banking crisis caused and have had  the covid pandemic as well as the Russia/Ukraine war to deal with.  The Brexit fallout did not help because of the time it took to implement due to Parliament blocking the UK leaving the EU.  The truth is the Tory government has never enjoyed the same favourable  economic conditions the Labour party enjoyed for over ten during their time in government during the last fourteen years that they have been in power. 

You forgot to parrot the Tory Mantra of Boris "getting all the big calls right".

I'm sure there are others stored in your memory bank.

[Anna B 1,417]

4 hours ago, ECCOnoob said:

Couldn't that potentially be a good thing though. More variety in the house rather than just single party dominance.   

 

Isn't that what some people have been crying out for?

Not really, though I agree that more variety in the house is desirable. But under the 'first past the post' system, the majority of votes will be wasted in that no representation will come from them.

 

It needs Proportional Representation to be effective. Unfortunately there's no sign on anyone's agenda to bring PR in, so the party that wins may well have not been the choice of two thirds of the electorate. 

[ECCOnoob 1,053]

2 hours ago, Anna B said:

Not really, though I agree that more variety in the house is desirable. But under the 'first past the post' system, the majority of votes will be wasted in that no representation will come from them.

 

It needs Proportional Representation to be effective. Unfortunately there's no sign on anyone's agenda to bring PR in, so the party that wins may well have not been the choice of two thirds of the electorate. 

I really don't think it's the magic wand you expect it to be.

 

Organisations have already worked out what could have happened if say the 2019 general election was calculated by PR.   Guess what,  the Tories would have still had the largest share and be nearly 100 seats ahead of Labour. The only real impact would have been for the SNP who in that model would have been massively lagging behind Lib Dem.  As for everyone else, it would be business as usual - minority parties with negligible seat numbers and nobody caring. 

 

Hardly a dramatic shift from status quo.  

Edited March 17 by ECCOnoob

[Al Bundy 1,577]

7 hours ago, steved32 said:

Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss, Sunak...

 

Who with a single brain cell could ever vote for this lot?

 

Do they think the electorate is stupid?

 

Well, Brexit was voted in.   Maybe "the electorate" is stupid.

 

If you think the following are better, then by all means vote for Richie Rich:

 

NHS, dentistry, education, mortgages, rental housing, roads, retail... and, the honesty, transparency, integrity of our (unelected) PM and his sycophants.

 

 

And yet Labour still couldn't beat them!!!

 

Let that sink in.