I1L2T3 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, apelike said: You really should blame Spain for that! Nope I blame our government and people like you who think Brexit is a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said: Right to free movement, reciprocal healthcare, dilution of employment rights. But that right to free movement will be removed for all in the UK but you will still be able to travel. As said before I'm not sure about the healthcare bit but dilution of employment rights! What rights will be diluted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Litotes said: Tumbleweed as a response Exactly. There’s no logic there at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said: Nope I blame our government and people like you who think Brexit is a good idea. But it is Spain that is causing the problems because it wants Gibraltar back, they are the ones derailing any plans. 3 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said: Exactly. There’s no logic there at all. Nor is a tumbleweed response!! 😁 Edited February 20, 2019 by apelike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, apelike said: But that right to free movement will be removed for all in the UK but you will still be able to travel. As said before I'm not sure about the healthcare bit but dilution of employment rights! What rights will be diluted? My right to free movement will be impacted. Removing it is the whole premise of May’s Brexit and there is no hope of it with a hard Brexit. A reminder that free movement means the right to move freely for work in the EU. If there is no deal on March 29 no I won’t be able to move freely. It will cost me £52 and two weeks of waiting to visit my kids. That is not free movement. With no deal the U.K. participation in EHIC ends on March 29. With May’s deal it is not guaranteed after the transition. As for employment rights quite a few leading Brexiters openly say they want to dilute them, and revoke the Human Rights Act Have you been living under a rock? 1 minute ago, apelike said: But it is Spain that is causing the problems because it wants Gibraltar back, they are the ones derailing any plans. Nor is a tumbleweed response!! 😁 No it is not Spain causing the problem. It is us. Because we are leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litotes Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 When we commit suicide and leave the EU, I reckon that it won't be long before we start hearing the whining about "no one told us it would cost us / impact us this much". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 18 minutes ago, apelike said: You really should blame Spain for that! 14 minutes ago, apelike said: but dilution of employment rights! What rights will be diluted? Typical brextremist, as usual blame everybody else but, and play dumb Dont forget last year we had this https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-eu-rights-charter-uk-government-house-of-lords-withdrawal-bill-a8318731.html where the government were voting to get rid of "fundamental rights" and transporting most into british law, how many do you think they will lose down the back of the sofa when transporting them over? and the charter of fundamental rights will NOT be retained The Charter contains some 54 articles divided into seven titles. The first six titles deal with substantive rights under the headings: dignity, freedoms, equality, solidarity, citizens' rights and justice, while the last title deals with the interpretation and application of the Charter. Much of Charter is based on the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), European Social Charter, the case-law of the European Court of Justice and pre-existing provisions of European Union law. The first title (Dignity) guarantees the right to life and prohibits torture, slavery, the death penalty, eugenic practices and human cloning. Its provisions are mostly based on the ECHR, although Article 1 closely reflects Article 1 of the German Basic Law. The second title (Freedoms) covers liberty, personal integrity, privacy, protection of personal data, marriage, thought, religion, expression, assembly, education, work, property and asylum. The third title (Equality) covers equality before the law, prohibition of all discrimination including on basis of disability, age and sexual orientation, cultural, religious and linguistic diversity, the rights of childrenand the elderly. The fourth title (Solidarity) covers social and workers' rights including the right to fair working conditions, protection against unjustified dismissal, and access to health care, social and housing assistance. The fifth title (Citizen's Rights) covers the rights of the EU citizens such as the right to vote in election to the European Parliament and to move freely within the EU. It also includes several administrative rights such as a right to good administration, to access documents and to petition the European Parliament. The sixth title (Justice) covers justice issues such as the right to an effective remedy, a fair trial, to the presumption of innocence, the principle of legality, non-retrospectivity and double jeopardy. The seventh title (General Provisions) concerns the interpretation and application of the Charter. These issues are dealt with above. are any of those bad things? should we not have dignity in this country? freedom of speech? freedom of expression? equality? right to fair working conditions maybe? if they dont transport this or most of it over then whats to stop the tories from eroding these things over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said: My right to free movement will be impacted. Removing it is the whole premise of May’s Brexit and there is no hope of it with a hard Brexit. A reminder that free movement means the right to move freely for work in the EU. But you will still be able to travel to the EU and still be able to apply for jobs and work there. 5 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said: If there is no deal on March 29 no I won’t be able to move freely. It will cost me £52 and two weeks of waiting to visit my kids. That is not free movement. Again its Spain that is causing that particular problem as it was agreed that no visa was meant to necessary and Spain are forcing that idea on the EU not the UK. BTW are your kids adults or children? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/20/britons-may-need-52-visa-to-visit-mainland-europe-after-brexit 5 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said: With no deal the U.K. participation in EHIC ends on March 29. With May’s deal it is not guaranteed after the transition. I see, then for a quick visit it will meant some travel insurance instead. 5 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said: As for employment rights quite a few leading Brexiters openly say they want to dilute them, and revoke the Human Rights Act And yet the government has stated that they will stay the same. As far as revoking the HRA that it seems is just scare stories. 5 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said: Have you been living under a rock? No but its all because Spain wants that rock back...😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, apelike said: But you will still be able to travel to the EU and still be able to apply for jobs and work there. Again its Spain that is causing that particular problem as it was agreed that no visa was meant to necessary and Spain are forcing that idea on the EU not the UK. BTW are your kids adults or children? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/20/britons-may-need-52-visa-to-visit-mainland-europe-after-brexit I see, then for a quick visit it will meant some travel insurance instead. And yet the government has stated that they will stay the same. As far as revoking the HRA that it seems is just scare stories. No but its all because Spain wants that rock back...😁 None of those things will be automatic rights any more. That is what is being taken away. Very simple. By stating the alternatives you have basically agreed with that Edited February 20, 2019 by I1L2T3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, melthebell said: Typical brextremist, as usual blame everybody else but, and play dumb No, just asking a question that so far nobody has been able to answer, even you! Quote 5 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said: None of those things will be automatic rights any more. That is what is being taken away. Very simple. But because they will no longer be automatic rights does not mean you cannot do what you do now. The only thing being taken away is the word automatic. Edited February 20, 2019 by apelike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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