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22 minutes ago, despritdan said:

Obviously it doesn't. The point I was making is that the Leave vote was a result of people's general anger over mass immigration over the last few decades and used the referendum to express that anger as we have never had a referendum on immigration and the ensuing multi-cultural society that has been imposed on us.

There are people in other EU counties that get angry about immigration but their governments weren't foolish enough to arrange a leave or stay referendum without having  any idea of  the consequences. 

 

So now we are in an absolute mess without  any settlement in sight thanks to our incompetent politicians. 

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People who were angry about mass immigration were fundamentally mislead by the leave campaign and/or not very bright.

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9 hours ago, Michael_W said:

There is no party in the UK that would make a decent government, none of them would or even could look after all the people, it was mostly working class people who voted to Leave, on the back of EU migration affecting their pay, conditions, communities, health and education services ( and yes, I am familiar and bored with all the for and against arguments on here and everywhere else so lets not go there again), so that is mostly why you have/had disenfranchised and angry people who rightly or wrongly, but non the less defiantly, stuck it to the political elite and the' I'm alright Jack' middle classes …. IMHO !

Forget the misguided accusations of xenophobia and racism which have constantly been thrown around, it was never about disliking foreigners, it was about class arrogance and ignorance within our society.

I was reading online an analysis of the polling data by Lord Ashcroft which showed that the Brexit was favoured by the middle class rather than the working class.

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6 minutes ago, janie48 said:

There are people in other EU counties that get angry about immigration but their governments weren't foolish enough to arrange a leave or stay referendum without having  any idea of  the consequences. 

 

So now we are in an absolute mess without  any settlement in sight thanks to our incompetent politicians. 

I've lived in countries all around the world.  In New Zealand, people complained about incoming Fijians and Samoans.  In Australia, they complained about Syrians and Turks and Ukrainians.  In Thailand, they complained about Burmese and Laotians, taking all their jobs.   In Hong Kong, special venom was reserved for mainland Chinese.  In Cambodia, they complained about the yuon, or vietnamese dogs as they so charmingly referred to them. And in Myanmar, people were concerned about immigration from Bangladesh.

 

But it takes a special kind of British stupidity to turn that concern into the most laughable act of self-destructiveness in modern political history - a self-destructiveness that will hurt those people who are angriest the most.

 

It hurts me to know that the rest of the world is laughing at us.

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10 minutes ago, bendix said:

 

 

But it takes a special kind of British stupidity to turn that concern into the most laughable act of self-destructiveness in modern political history - a self-destructiveness that will hurt those people who are angriest the most.

 

It hurts me to know that the rest of the world is laughing at us.

They shouldn't be laughing at us, they should be pitying us. 

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11 minutes ago, janie48 said:

They shouldn't be laughing at us, they should be pitying us. 

Stupidity doesn't deserve pity, it deserves scorn

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I'm no lover of any bureaucracy, but issues of waste and inefficiency aside, the EU on a political level has shown itself to be a remarkably resilient organisation over the past two and a bit years, which has shown amazing loyalty to the political and economic welfare of its members.

 

Those who bang on about the EU being in its death throes should take a step outside their twitter and facebook bubbles and have a look at a bit of reality. One of the great positives of the European project has always been to end the centuries old warring of European nations and replace it with harmony. Along with the migrant crisis largely caused by US adventures in the Middle East, the UK's threat to leave the EU is probably the biggest existential crisis the organisation has faced and it has stood strong.

 

The very Brexiteers who are predicting the downfall of the EU are the very people who are ensuring its survival. Yes far-right populism is still making gains but I am hearing fewer calls from these groups to leave the EU. They are rightly looking at us and thinking that if a strong nation like the UK can be brought to its knees by this foolishness, what hope is there for us?

 

With the EU under attack by both Trump and Putin it is more important than ever that we all stand together.

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So ,the circus continues ,and the chuckle brothers , May and Communist Corbin continue to make us the laughing stock of the world.  Even that miserable Barny geezer in Brussels has said this morning that No Deal has never looked more likely. 

 

The vote today on taking no deal off the table is pointless because its not binding ,and as the law stands ( UK and EU) we leave on 29th , deal or no deal. 

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33 minutes ago, janie48 said:

They shouldn't be laughing at us, they should be pitying us. 

Pitying has a sell-by-date, eventually it gets replaced with indifference.

 

Especially when those worthiest of pity (the 48%) have done sod all over so long towards helping themselves. Now I won't go so far as to argue that this makes them accomplices of the debacle as such...but there is such a long-standing principle as implicit consent by omission.

 

Where were the 48% in the past 2 years? Not in the streets, nor in their MPs' constituencies, clearly.

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What were they supposed to do though??

Anyone who even came out as supporting the remain campaign was automatically labelled a "Remoaner" or a "Snowflake" any views or opinion they had were labelled as "Project Fear"

 

The more pertinent question should be where were the 52% ???  Arguing amongst themselves over what they actually want  is where they were.

The Brexit camp won the referendum, but after that they did absolutely dick-all to help deliver a successful Brexit.

 

Worst still they then blamed any remain supporters for their own failings, accusing them of not getting on board, even when there was no clear indication of what people were supposed to actually get on board with.

It's just a couple of weeks before we're due to leave, yet still no-one has the first idea on what we actually want out of all this.

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Could anyone answer these questions?

1) could the UK Make it's own trade deals if we stay in a CU.

2) would the UK outside the ECJ.

3) would the UK still have to pay into the EU.

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21 minutes ago, hobinfoot said:

Could anyone answer these questions?

1) could the UK Make it's own trade deals if we stay in a CU.

2) would the UK outside the ECJ.

3) would the UK still have to pay into the EU.

 

In what scenario exactly?

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