The EU and the Irish Border.

[L00b]

Some of the people of the UK voted to leave, but the majority of MPs wanted to remain in the EU. I wonder how that will pan out?

As a matter of fact, they didn't: the Commons voted 494 to 122 for triggering Article 50 back in February, and both Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn had MPs whipped to vote for triggering Article 50.

I wonder how that will pan out?

I don't.

 

Either socialists or different Tories get into No.10 next time around, and rinse-repeat, whilst the public continues to get shafted ever more violently in the meantime.

 

You're not getting out of that dead-ending political bog, until either the FPTP system is binned, or enough people are dying of starvation and exposure in the streets. And if you think that last one couldn't happen in the 202-something Brexited UK, I'm afraid I can't help you.

 

---------- Post added 07-12-2017 at 15:26 ----------

 

The UK only needs to send a clear message that they are prepared for a hard border in the event of a no deal. A few military training exercises in the rivers, mudflats, estuaries and seas are another option.

Are you back to trolling again, now that you're completely out of arguments and logic?

[Lockdoctor]

As a matter of fact, they didn't: the Commons voted 494 to 122 for triggering Article 50 back in February, and both Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn had MPs whipped to vote for triggering Article 50.

 

---------- Post added 07-12-2017 at 15:26 ----------

 

Are you back to trolling again, now that you're completely out of arguments and logic?

 

You seem to be the one trolling by implying a vote to trigger Article 50 is the same as voting in the referendum to leave the EU. It makes perfect sense for the UK Government to make contingency plans for a hard border in the event of a no deal. Politicians repeating the phrase nobody wants a hard border is getting the UK no where.

[Annie Bynnol]

The UK only needs to send a clear message that they are prepared for a hard border in the event of a no deal. A few military training exercises in the rivers, mudflats, estuaries and seas are another option.

 

So putting our armed forces into action against civilian citizens of their own country and totally undermining 20 years of peace building.

[Lockdoctor]

So putting our armed forces into action against civilian citizens of their own country and totally undermining 20 years of peace building.

If there is no free trade deal with the EU, then there will be a hard Irish border and it will be policed with help from the military. No EU trade deal=tarrifs tarrifs= hard border EU free trade deal=no hard Irish border. The Good Friday Agreement should not be used as a excuse to keep the UK in the EU after the UK democratically voted to leave the EU. The UK didn't have a democratic vote about the Good Friday Agreement.

[Litotes]

Having seen the way the EU has behaved, the general corruption, its carefree spending of other people's money, the lack of democratic accountability and the mess the EU is in all over the Europe, I would vote the same way again. We will be better off out of it.

 

You are free to disagree.

 

Sounds like the UK - the general corruption, its carefree spending of other people's money, the lack of democratic accountability and the poor light that the UK is regarded with all over the world...

[Annie Bynnol]

If there is no free trade deal with the EU, then there will be a hard Irish border and it will be policed with help from the military. No EU trade deal=tarrifs tarrifs= hard border EU free trade deal=no hard Irish border. The Good Friday Agreement should not be used as a excuse to keep the UK in the EU after the UK democratically voted to leave the EU. The UK didn't have a democratic vote about the Good Friday Agreement.

 

More than 20 000 soldiers and tens of thousands of other military and armed police failed to control the border in the last century allowing terrorist organisations, organised crime and smugglers to make huge profits and undermine any settlement.

 

The Good Friday Agreement was a series of proposals for the future governance of Northern Ireland and a referendum was held in the ROI (94% in favour) and NI (71% in favour) in which countries legislation would need to change. About as democratic as you can get in northern Irish issues.

 

The current differences in duty and legislation between the ROI and the UK at the land border are currently 'policed politically' with cross border agreement in order that the border does not again form a political issue until...

 

The border is an extremly sensitive issue to all parties and groups it affects. Simplistic solutions from Britain just don't work in this context. The best deals in Ireland are never written down without built in ambiguity supplying flexibility. of interpretation.

[Car Boot]

40 non-EU countries have a border with an EU member state.

 

Thousands of miles of these borders have no checkpoints, barriers, or customs points.

 

Perhaps the EU might learn from these member states which already have stable open borders?

[chalga]

40 non-EU countries have a border with an EU member state.

 

Thousands of miles of these borders have no checkpoints, barriers, or customs points.

 

Perhaps the EU might learn from these member states which already have stable open borders?

 

The EU don't want any of those on the ROI/NI border after Brexit,how can it learn from hose member states?..............nobody wanted borders,that's what's been agreed.

[Geo-atkinson]

The EU have plenty of exerience dealing with land borders with None member countries. All along the eastern side of the EU Member states border non member countries with varying degrees of access for thousands of miles so dealing with a border with the Republic of Ireland would be nothing to them.

 

However, if the open borders agreement succeeds and it looks as though it will, and there is to be no hard border with Great Britain for goods and people because the whole country is to accept the customs union and free movement, then haven't we just not unjoined the EU via the back door?

[L00b]

You seem to be the one trolling by implying a vote to trigger Article 50 is the same as voting in the referendum to leave the EU.

I'm not implying anything: the referendum was advisory and not legally binding at all, the Parliamentary vote to trigger Article 50 was legally binding, and it is the triggering Article 50 which automatically kicks the UK out of the EU after 2 years no matter what, nothing else.

 

So yes, it is the democratically-elected Members of Parliament who, exercising the full prerogative of Parliament's sovereignty, by democratically voting 494 to 122 for triggering Article 50 under the standard constitutional requirements and due process of the UK, effectively Brexited the UK in February 2017. Not voters who simply expressed a preference out of a binary choice in the opinion poll of June 2016.

 

I'd have thought you'd be aware and glad of the fact.

 

But then I was trolling, eh? PMSL!