Road resurfacing, Amey & Streets Ahead

[the fonz 10]

Sounds like a serious breach and a material one in fact, to me.

 

Unless you have seen the contract how can you know?

Edited April 6, 2018 by the fonz

[Guest makapaka]

So if they do some bits ok, there's no point complaining about the bits that are dreadful? Do you apply that logic to all aspects of life?

 

I think the real reason people don't engage with you might be because you seem to be rather blindly biased in favour of amey and the council.....

 

No - but there’s a difference between reporting and complaining isn’t there. If I take some electrical goods that don’t work back to the shop and they replace them for perfectly fine ones I don’t complain to the head of customer services.

 

If it happens again maybe I do.

 

It’s all about rationality - all I’m saying is someone highlighting an issue on their street is not necessarily indicative that the majority of works are bad, the same as my road being ok is not indicative that everything is ok.

[paula4sheff 10]

No - but there’s a difference between reporting and complaining isn’t there. If I take some electrical goods that don’t work back to the shop and they replace them for perfectly fine ones I don’t complain to the head of customer services.

 

If it happens again maybe I do.

 

It’s all about rationality - all I’m saying is someone highlighting an issue on their street is not necessarily indicative that the majority of works are bad, the same as my road being ok is not indicative that everything is ok.

 

The difference is though is that it's not just one electrical good we're talking about. We're talking about work across the City, and indeed, across the country. Not the odd bad job - significant and sustained poor quality work, reported by numerous members of the public, news outlets and councils.

 

Why DO you absolutely insist, against all evidence, that Amey don't do poor quality work? What more proof do you want? YOUR road collapsing?

[Guest makapaka]

The difference is though is that it's not just one electrical good we're talking about. We're talking about work across the City, and indeed, across the country. Not the odd bad job - significant and sustained poor quality work, reported by numerous members of the public, news outlets and councils.

 

Why DO you absolutely insist, against all evidence, that Amey don't do poor quality work? What more proof do you want? YOUR road collapsing?

 

Well no. It’s not just my road - there’s plenty of others which are fine. I’m sure there’s some that aren’t.

 

I’ve never ever absolutely insisted anything-they’re your words not mine.

[Longcol 611]

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Why DO you absolutely insist, against all evidence, that Amey don't do poor quality work? What more proof do you want? YOUR road collapsing?

 

Roads "collapsing" would suggest to me that old drains / sewers are the problem - this was certainly the case on Commonside over the last few years until Yorkshire Water replaced the drain.

 

Observing the road surface it looks like that this is pretty widespread in my local area, eg. Ripley Street / Walkley Lane, Springvale Road, Montgomery Terrace.

[Guest makapaka]

Roads "collapsing" would suggest to me that old drains / sewers are the problem - this was certainly the case on Commonside over the last few years until Yorkshire Water replaced the drain.

 

Observing the road surface it looks like that this is pretty widespread in my local area, eg. Ripley Street / Walkley Lane, Springvale Road, Montgomery Terrace.

 

Roads aren’t collapsing because of the streets ahead works. There may be bad workmanship in areas.

 

This is kind of my point - people post “roads are collapsing” it’s not true but if you question it you are accused of supporting amey.

 

It’s bats.

[cgksheff 44]

Roads aren’t collapsing because of the streets ahead works. There may be bad workmanship in areas.

 

This is kind of my point - people post “roads are collapsing” it’s not true but if you question it you are accused of supporting amey.

 

It’s bats.

 

"road surface collapsing" is not the same as "road collapsing".

 

We all know who's bats.

[Cyclone 10]

I haven't disagreed - I asked you to explain where you got the information from.

A question which I answered.

And you did disagree;

"Not finishing by the agreed completion date doesn’t necessarily mean the contractor is in “serious material breach”."

 

As for why it may not be a "serious material breach" - what if they have been granted an EOT under the Contract for example?

Agreed, then they wouldn't be in breach.

Since the council attempt to keep as much secret as possible we don't know if that's the case though.

 

All i'm saying is that if all you're going on is that a date when they planned to finish has expired - that doesn't automatically mean the Contractor is in serious breach.

 

So I asked where you got the information from - as maybe you had some evidence that this was the case. If you had - and that was the case - then so be it.

No information other than the original contract and the failure to complete by the date specified.

 

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Unless you have seen the contract how can you know?

 

Large portions of the contract have been made public, the requirement to resurface in the five years from commencing was in fact loudly broadcast by both SCC and Amey at the start of the contract.

 

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They should do - but you will always have issues arising.

 

Our road is perfect - but I don’t believe that suggests every other road they have resurfaced is.

 

For that same reason we shouldn’t assume the opposite where some roads have problems.

 

As the other poster said - the repairs are done at their cost so hopefully they will want to limit any poor workmanship.

 

Just a reminder of what you actually said.

 

I don't think anyone is 'assuming' based on a just 'some' roads. There are extensive reports of poor quality work.

[Guest makapaka]

A question which I answered.

And you did disagree;

"Not finishing by the agreed completion date doesn’t necessarily mean the contractor is in “serious material breach”."

Agreed, then they wouldn't be in breach.

Since the council attempt to keep as much secret as possible we don't know if that's the case though.

No information other than the original contract and the failure to complete by the date specified.

 

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Large portions of the contract have been made public, the requirement to resurface in the five years from commencing was in fact loudly broadcast by both SCC and Amey at the start of the contract.

 

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Just a reminder of what you actually said.

 

I don't think anyone is 'assuming' based on a just 'some' roads. There are extensive reports of poor quality work.

 

Your logic is that because we don’t know you can assume. No other information so you can say that they are in “serious material breach” and I’m wrong for asking you to justify it - don’t talk daft.

[paula4sheff 10]

Your logic is that because we don’t know you can assume. No other information so you can say that they are in “serious material breach” and I’m wrong for asking you to justify it - don’t talk daft.

 

So what evidence do you want of amey providing 'poor quality work?'

 

Currently we have: news reports, reports from various members of the public, herw and other places, and councils across the country claiming amey have provided poor quality work, and battling to get out oerf their contracts as a result.

 

Without replying with a queatipn of your own (your usual trick)- what more proof do you want that amey are providing poor quality work?

[Cyclone 10]

Your logic is that because we don’t know you can assume. No other information so you can say that they are in “serious material breach” and I’m wrong for asking you to justify it - don’t talk daft.

 

I didn't say you were wrong in asking to justify it, I answered you in fact. Twice.

[fill 10]

of course it may not be amey's work that is not up to the task ie. substandard

it could just be that the quality of the materials they choose to use is substandard

 

or even could it be

 

that the quality of the world underneath their work is substandard and sheffield ought to be moved if we want decent quality road surface repairs.