spikeachu Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 (edited) Yes, the road markings are clear but the rest of your comment is clearly wrong. I have already posted a number of images to back this up. Post #108 ref: http://imgur.com/a/mLzqa White car is in the left hand lane and crosses into the adjacent lane occupied by the black car. The highway code is clear and again was quoted in post #117. Great image. Now go 50 yards further down the road and review the marking on the lanes. https://goo.gl/maps/xyfq3tokQbB2 The last image in the sequence that you have coloured red simply shows the traffic from Shepcote Lane and beyond that they can access the viaduct from both left and centre lanes. The markings do not apply to traffic from Sheffield Road, as confirmed by the markings on entry and confirmed by the markings under the viaduct and confirmed by the member that posted videos of them correctly traversing the roundabout in both lanes. Edited May 22, 2017 by spikeachu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghozer Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 (edited) I cannot believe what I am reading. if you look at the video 8 seconds in, the white car is in the Lane Marke M1(N) Thats all that lane says. The white car MUST, unless clear to do otherwise, go on the viaduct. Anyone who blames the black car should either (A) Retake their test (B) Go to Specsavers wow, just wow.. White Car... Left lane, straight or left.. Black Car... middle lane (turned to left lane).. White car continues Straight (as road markings indicated) Black car tries to swing left, from a lane that's not even marked as a left turn, across another lane in front of another car.. And you say the white car is to blame? the black car saw their turn too late, I know the corner and junction is terrible, but they way over-shot before even attempting to turn... That and the black car was round the left bend before the white car, so junction should have been visible to them, they could have then indicated left to change to left lane, allowing the white car to slow for them to do so... (see: see: https://www.dropbox.com/s/7ey16tbjnrxir8l/1.png?dl=0 ) the black car even starts turning WAY before the junction ( see: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mivlgfjhr8x19e9/2.png?dl=0 ) Edited May 22, 2017 by Ghozer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarPig Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 So to those who say the white car was to blame... Do you think the white car, who wants to go straight on to Rotherham, and gets in the correct lane for doing so, should then turn left under the viaduct because of how the lane markings on the actual roundabout say? If so, lets consider a motorist driving towards that roundabout for the first time, being completely unfamiliar with the roundabout and who only has the road signs and lane markings for guidance... If they want to go straight on to Rotherham, which lane should they position themselves in when they are approaching the roundabout? Should they read the arrows and writing on the road surface and get into the left lane, because this is what they are being told, or should they completely ignore what the writing says and get in the middle lane, despite the writing telling them this lane takes them elsewhere? Remember, they aren't familiar with the roundabout, and can only go on what they see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spikeachu Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 So to those who say the white car was to blame... Do you think the white car, who wants to go straight on to Rotherham, and gets in the correct lane for doing so, should then turn left under the viaduct because of how the lane markings on the actual roundabout say? If so, lets consider a motorist driving towards that roundabout for the first time, being completely unfamiliar with the roundabout and who only has the road signs and lane markings for guidance... If they want to go straight on to Rotherham, which lane should they position themselves in when they are approaching the roundabout? Should they read the arrows and writing on the road surface and get into the left lane, because this is what they are being told, or should they completely ignore what the writing says and just get one of the other lanes? Remember, they aren't familiar with the roundabout, and can only go on what they see. Google street view shows a foreign wagon taking the same approach in the middle lane and managing to do so correctly. I think it's safe to assume that the driver isn't from around here and that English probably isn't his/her native language and that they were going the wrong way around a roundabout compared with their native Europe. The signage is sufficient enough to cover this, which makes me wonder how some people can't see that the driver of the black vehicle got it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnybrew Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 The white car was in the correct lane on approach to the roundabout to go onwards to Rotherham. The road markings confirm this. The black car in the wrong lane on approach to go left on to the viaduct. He should have been in the left hand lane. The road markings again confirm this. It worries me that I'm sharing the road with some of the posters on here. In days gone by, the driver of the black car may well have been prosecuted for careless driving. The white car did nothing wrong and was just unfortunate to collide with an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Yes, the road markings are clear but the rest of your comment is clearly wrong. I have already posted a number of images to back this up. Post #108 ref: http://imgur.com/a/mLzqa White car is in the left hand lane and crosses into the adjacent lane occupied by the black car. The highway code is clear and again was quoted in post #117. The black car was making a left turn where it shouldn't have even considered it. The white car was proceeding ahead to the Rotherham exit as it was entitled to do. So how could the white car have been at fault? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNugget Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 So today I had to take a D1 driving test. Guess where we went?! - yep, in the black car lane in order to go onto the M1s. I know people have asked for an expert opinion on this matter so I seized my chance. Whilst waiting in the traffic on the approach I explained the scenario to the examiner and asked his opinion. He said if you go to the M1N from here you'll fail! He said that the markings on approach clearly indicate that lane is for the M1S. The white car has simply followed the lane designation and cannot be at fault. The black car has not followed the lane designations and failed to clear his path so is at fault. So there you have it. We can all have opinions but this is a driving examiner, assessing all vehicle types - on the scene looking at he situation - so I'm going with what he said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarPig Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Some on here won't be happy with that conclusion Nugget. I wonder what our police qualified and Advance qualified member will think of this? Not to mention the 69 members in the poll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNugget Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Some on here won't be happy with that conclusion Nugget. I wonder what our police qualified and Advance qualified member will think of this? Not to mention the 69 members in the poll You can lead a horse to water..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Yawn. So let me see - you state that one set of qualifications is worthless at the same time you appeal to different authority... That's a logical fallacy right there. So convenient you just happened to drive that way doing a D1 test isn't it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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