Obelix Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 The lane markings on the roundabout are such that the black car doesnt change lane. The white car does change lane and corsses the broken white line, and also undertakes the black car. The markings on approach whilst unfortunate are irrelevant at the time of the crash. Often the markings on the carriageway are at odds to them. The onus is on the driver to change lanes in a safe manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihpb Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 The black car entered the roundabout on a lane intended for either Bawtry Road or M1S, and without any care for anyone else proceeded to move into a lane intended for either the road towards Magna or M1N. Is this good driving? It is stubborn selfish driving but cars on the right have priority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 You don't have to look any further than the picture on the star website http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/video-dramatic-two-car-smash-on-sheffield-s-tinsley-viaduct-captured-on-camera-1-8547715 I looked and... The white car crosses into the right lane, the road markings on the roundabout itself are going left to the M1N. The white car is perfectly entitled to. The Arrow prior to entering the roundabout said so. It doesn't matter what the arrows on the ground are indicating BEFORE the junction when the roundabout itself is indicating otherwise. It totally does matter. The road markings you point out are for the benefit of the traffic coming from the other set of traffic lights. If you ignore the arrows telling you that you can only go straight ahead in this lane and instead follow through the lane markings belonging to the other set of lights that takes you to the left then expect a high chance of causing an accident. We have agreed that the lane markings could be better. Even so, the black car is 100% at fault for not following the straight ahead only instruction prior to entering the roundabout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNugget Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 It is stubborn selfish driving but cars on the right have priority Do they? To which section of the Highway Code do you refer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihpb Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 I looked and... Even so, the black car is 100% at fault for not following the straight ahead only instruction prior to entering the roundabout. The white car is at fault for speeding up the inside of the black car and not seeing that the car was indicating to go left. Speed was the factor here not the lanes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNugget Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 In the interests of science, please could one of the people who think the Black car is correct please go and do the same manoeuvre a few times. When they inevitably crash, please let us know which way the insurance finds the fault. Clearly if they are correct they won't have any issue with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spikeachu Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 The lane markings on the roundabout are such that the black car doesnt change lane. The white car does change lane and corsses the broken white line, and also undertakes the black car. The markings on approach whilst unfortunate are irrelevant at the time of the crash. Often the markings on the carriageway are at odds to them. The onus is on the driver to change lanes in a safe manner. If you are so insistent that cars cannot cross the white lines than all lanes point to M1N. Exhibit A. https://goo.gl/maps/scW1tjMSh712 Note the road markings. Lane 1: M1N/Rotherham Lane 2: Bawtry/M1S Lane 3: M1S Also pay attention to the lorry which is going to traverse the roundabout correctly in the middle lane. Exhibit B https://goo.gl/maps/GypBve7iNTr Note the road markings Lane 1: Rotherham (M1 has now gone because we passed that exit as we are entitled to do - the approach arrows told us so and the lane markings still back that up.) Lane 2: Bawtry/M1S (Lorry is still in this lane as the black car should have been) Lane 3 : M1S Exhibit C https://goo.gl/maps/mG4veZgXV8x Lorry correctly remaining in Lane for M1S/Bawtry and not at all changed lanes, thereby traversing the roundabout correctly and not getting in the way of traffic for Rotherham. Unlike the black car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Why dont you try the same in the position of the white car? ---------- Post added 21-05-2017 at 20:43 ---------- If you are so insistent that cars cannot cross the white lines than all lanes point to M1N. Exhibit A. https://goo.gl/maps/scW1tjMSh712 Note the road markings. Lane 1: M1N/Rotherham Lane 2: Bawtry/M1S Lane 3: M1S Also pay attention to the lorry which is going to traverse the roundabout correctly in the middle lane. Exhibit B https://goo.gl/maps/GypBve7iNTr Note the road markings Lane 1: Rotherham (M1 has now gone because we passed that exit as we are entitled to do - the approach arrows told us so and the lane markings still back that up.) Lane 2: Bawtry/M1S (Lorry is still in this lane as the black car should have been) Lane 3 : M1S Exhibit C https://goo.gl/maps/mG4veZgXV8x Lorry correctly remaining in Lane for M1S/Bawtry and not at all changed lanes, thereby traversing the roundabout correctly and not getting in the way of traffic for Rotherham. Unlike the black car. Highway code rule 131 and 133 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNugget Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Why dont you try the same in the position of the white car? I did. See my videos I posted on this thread. Along with all of the other cars I followed and the countless other cars that do the same correct journey daily. Here I'll help you out: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BwF_jDJj-V5MRVJLdHJBNkM4SUk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihpb Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Do they? To which section of the Highway Code do you refer? Common sense dictates you can see more of the road on the left and can react in good time if driving at appropriate speed and distance. Over taking cars or cars in a central lane are blind on the left side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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