Theresa May has not ruled out yet more cuts for the disabled!

[Hairyloon 10]

I am sorry for the few that may have been wrongly diagnosed as not requiring PIP payment...

As I said, there are genuine cases where atos have made errors, however there are many where they have not.

You speak with apparent certainty of the few and the many: do you have numbers?

The "few" are known to number many thousands, and in my book that is far, far too many.

 

Ps. Any argument you had lost all credibility when comparing atos to the nazis.

 

The only comparison here was in relation to the Nuremberg defence, and the Nazis at least had the excuse that they were likely to be shot if they didn't follow orders.

[Cyclone 10]

There are plenty of well documented cases of atos going directly against medical advice and declaring people who with serious ongoing health problems to be fit for work.

[petemcewan 27]

onewheeldave,

 

Spot on. A friend(Lofty) I had when I lived in London who was disabled/HIV+ ;killed himself after losing his benefits /DLA and being deemed fit for work.Lofty was a scholar and a gent and only 45yr old.

In my opinion, the right of the Cons are hardhearted mongrels.

[I1L2T3 10]

There are plenty of well documented cases of atos going directly against medical advice and declaring people who with serious ongoing health problems to be fit for work.

 

'Work' is the key word.

 

The next step is surely going to be compulsion to work for disabled people.

[onewheeldave 22]

onewheeldave,

 

Spot on. A friend(Lofty) I had when I lived in London who was disabled/HIV+ ;killed himself after losing his benefits /DLA and being deemed fit for work.Lofty was a scholar and a gent and only 45yr old.

In my opinion, the right of the Cons are hardhearted mongrels.

 

Yes, the problem is far bigger than most people are aware of. I visited the local user led mental health group and was talking about that list of people who committed suicide after being found capable of work by benefits assessors.

 

One person at that group told me his niece had ended her life, after being found capable of work (she had a broken back), by jumping under a train whilst 3 months pregnant.

 

Others told that, despite the group having low numbers of members, at least 3 past members of the group had ended their lives after having their benefits cut.

[Hairyloon 10]

Others told that, despite the group having low numbers of members, at least 3 past members of the group had ended their lives after having their benefits cut.

 

Yes, but think of the benefit to the economy, not having to support all those difficult cases. [/torypolicy]

[onewheeldave 22]

Not all those poor folk died as a direct result of being denied pip.

The ones on the first list did. Have you even looked at it, or are you as much of an ostrich-head-in-the-sand as your posts would suggest?

 

Here's a short excerpt-

 

Elaine Lowe, 53. Suffering from COPD and fearful of losing her benefits. In desperation, Elaine chose to commit suicide.

 

Mark Wood, 44. Found fit for work by Atos, against his Doctors advice and assertions that he had complex mental health problems. Starved to death after benefits stopped, weighing only 5st 8lb when he died.

 

Paul Reekie, 48, the Leith based Poet and Author. Suffered from severe depression. Committed suicide after DWP stopped his benefits due to an Atos ‘fit for work’ decision.

 

Leanne Chambers, 30. Suffered depression for many years which took a turn for the worst when she was called in for a WCA. Leanne committed suicide soon after.

 

Karen Sherlock, 44. Multiple health issues. Found fit for work by Atos and denied benefits. Fought a long battle to get placed into the support group of ESA. Karen died the following month of a heart attack.

 

Carl Payne, 42. Fears of losing his lifeline benefits due to welfare reform led this Father of two to take his own life.

 

Tim Salter, 53. Blind and suffering from Agoraphobia. Tim hanged himself after Atos found him fit for work and stopped his benefits.

 

Full list here-

http://blacktrianglecampaign.org/2014/10/21/uk-welfare-reform-deaths-updated-list-october-21st-2014/

 

If someone gives you money on a regular basis over a long period of time you become dependant on that money classing it as part of your income and not preparing for the fact you may get better.

Which of the above got better?

I am glad that the government are reassessing all claimants because you can bet that there are a lot of folk out there who are undeserving or whose condition has improved and do not cancel their own pip.

I can tell you're glad. Reality is though, that the existence of a few false claims, does not justify the current strategy of killing thousands of vulnerable disabled people who are entitled, and, in desperate need of, their benefits.

[monkey104 10]

I can see you are on a crusade so I will leave you to it. Out.

[crookedspire 10]

Please don't throw "Nazi" around. It devalues the argument. This government is NOT National Socialist. There are many words, or insults, I could feel justified in using.

 

"Nazi" is not one. It both dilutes real nazism or similar, and looks like the old "typical, call everyone you don't agree with Hitler" to people who may not share your view but might have been persuaded by

 

I get your point but for people who have been though the whole PIP or ESA system it feels like state Vs you and many find it very frightening and makes them more ill.

 

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onewheeldave,

 

Spot on. A friend(Lofty) I had when I lived in London who was disabled/HIV+ ;killed himself after losing his benefits /DLA and being deemed fit for work.Lofty was a scholar and a gent and only 45yr old.

In my opinion, the right of the Cons are hardhearted mongrels.

 

Sorry to hear about your friends death a similar thing happened to someone I knew.

 

---------- Post added 11-05-2017 at 16:39 ----------

 

There are plenty of well documented cases of atos going directly against medical advice and declaring people who with serious ongoing health problems to be fit for work.

 

Atos , Captial, Maximums who do these assessments are given targets to save money regardless who it effects.

Edited May 11, 2017 by crookedspire

[Hairyloon 10]

I get your point but for people who have been though the whole PIP or ESA system it feels like state Vs you and many find it very frightening and makes them more ill...

 

Yeah, but get your terminology right: call them fascists.

[crookedspire 10]

They have not got any source all made up.The cons have not announced their manifesto so this is fake news.

 

Since 2010 their is plenty of stories about how sick and disabled are treated their is websites with personal accounts of experience with the system.

 

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Yeah, but get your terminology right: call them fascists.

 

Careful the pitch folk gang with be out to get you.

[Tim1 10]

If you need "help" filling in any claim forms I know a guy who charges £25 per form.

 

 

Still think the system needs leaving as it is?