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  1. Of course it is 'worth a light'- look around you- most are wearing a mask which means less transmission. Your assumption that all mask exempt people have access to food delivery is very naive. Good to see that more people are aware of the extremely low transmission in outdoor spaces, and, the value of exercise. Being fit and healthy is one of the best defences against this, and other viruses
  2. How it is likely going to work is- remember the first lockdown where some police forces went well over the top and, for example, harrassed people simply going for a walk in the country, alone? [plus posting drone videos on the forces twitter account]. And how said forces were instructed by rational superiors to cease such actions? It looks like they are now being given carte blanche to restart that kind of behaviour, and, get away with it.
  3. .....Yet. This is the very start of the lockdown- I predict that it will get much stricter. Just from looking at the front pages of the papers today, I see the typical govt rumblings about the public not complying and therefore 'killing people', that always precede tougher measures. Also, according to the media, British police have been told to issue £200 fines to anyone who doesn't immediately go home when instructed to.
  4. Indoors or outdoors? If they were outdoors, very little chance of transmission.
  5. a link to a tweeted video of the latest with Ylenia Angeli, who was in the news recently for trying to take her own mother out of a care home, and was arrested in the process. The video is disturbing and shows the typical bureaucratic response from such organisations these days, to some genuine concerns about the Mother's health. Here is a partial transcript of what is said in the video, in case, as I suspect may happen, the care home manage to get Twitter to censor it. the carer told Ylenia 'She's smiling', after expressing her worry about her mothers pale and sunken appearance. 'Can I tell you for the record', said Ylenia, 'Her colour is very poor, she's quite blue around the lips and her breathing is quite fast and to me that is a cause for concern.' 'Like I say we've not had any concerns', replied the carer. 'I know but you never do have concerns for her', Ylenia argued back, 'With respect you don't, I understand you're doing your best, but I can see my mother is not well just by looking at her through the window.' 'All I can suggest is you ring up on Monday morning', the carer replied to which a desperate Ylenia said: 'That's two whole days away!' 'Like I say i'm not the manager', the carer responded. Ylenia tried to reply, but the carer spoke over her as she continued to give her concerns, before promptly wheeling her mother away and shutting the blinds in her face as he begs: 'Hang on a minute don't take her away, don't take her away, don't take her away you b*****'. at the end she seems to be requesting that they get a doctor to check her mother, at which point the staff persist in talking over the top of her and then start taking the mother away. Ylenia had been told she couldn't visit in person as they 'had no tests', so she paid privately to have a test which came back negative, at which the care home said they were now 'waiting for the vaccine'. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9023539/Shocking-moment-dementia-stricken-removed-window-visit-daughter-begs-carers.html
  6. An interesting interview with Neil Oliver on TalkRadio which addresses some issues I'd not thought about i.e. now it has been established that governments can lock down the economy and travel to the extent that it has over covid, and the infrastructure and industry that has arisen to enforce that level of lockdown, at any point in the future, it could do the exact same thing, either in response to a further virus, or now, pretty much anything that it declares to be a national emergency. How is this going to affect the willingness of people to consider, for example, setting up a business. Having seen so many businesses destroyed by the lockdown, what is, even in normal times, a huge risk, is made much worse by the fact that now, in addition to all the standard concerns, we have the possibility of future lockdowns [mainly discussed in the second 1/2 of the video]
  7. Even for full on compulsion it is such a legal grey area that I don't think a change in law would be required. If it was required though, the govt would change the law. As for the more insiduous form of compulsion using restricting access to travel/education etc for those who choose not to have the vaccine, definitely no law change required there.
  8. Accept the choice of the public they are supposed to be representing? But, that won't happen- with continuing 'hints' from govt officials, statements that anyone criticising compulsory vaccination is 'anti-vax' [and therefore stupid and irresponsible], dragging up celebrities to have the vaccine publicly [notice in the papers the Queen is on the agenda for that] and various other manipulations, and, the public will be crying out for vaccination being compulsory, just as they demanded yet more extreme lockdowns and harsher punishments for anyone not complying.
  9. Tens. The majority of which weren't about problems with masks but the fact that masks were compulsory. Similarly, I have no issues with the covid vaccine, I have issues with it being mandatory, whether outright compulsion, or, the the removal of rights of access to travel/education etc for people who choose not to have it. I disagree with all 3 of those statements. The first one weakly, as I think there are other ways but this forum is not the place to discuss them. The next 2 strongly: above a certain level an efficacious vaccine will produce an effect, it's not necessary for "pretty much everyone" to have it. I believe the govt do want to force people to have the vaccine and their statements to the contrary are not true, as I explained in my recent previous post [#3062]
  10. I believe the govt are playing a bit of a game with their 'hints'. They will want compulsory vaccination- what they want to avoid is a huge backlash against it; the least they will settle for is the more insiduous form of compulsion employed by China i.e. you don't have to have the vaccine, but if you don't you can't travel or acess social events/schools etc. They know that that form of compulsion can be passed off as not compulsion, but as choice- they also know that a segment of the public will go along with that, and promote it. A standard political manouver is to encourage debate, not on the thing you wish to implement, but, a more extreme version of that thing- this shifts a lot of the debate/protest towards the extreme thing, then, you simply say that won't happen then, we'll have the lesser thing [i.e. the thing you actually wanted all along]. At that point a lot more people will go along with your 'compromise' than would have if that game hadn't been played. You may have noticed Matt Hancocks 'hints' that compulsory covid vaccinations weren't 'ruled out'- giving the impression that he doesn't want compulsion, but, if uptake isn't sufficent, it may have to be considered i.e. compulsion may be necessary as a last resort, but he really doesn't want to impose it. https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&rlz=1C1CHBD_en-GBGB843GB844&sxsrf=ALeKk00DsEpszap0307OvZc627vCWAiMwA%3A1607266928452&ei=cPLMX-eRG8So8gKg0KeADw&q=matt+hancock+covid+update+vaccine+compulsory&oq=matt+hancock+covid+update+vaccine+compulsory&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCCEQkgMyBQghEJIDMgUIIRCSAzIFCCEQkgMyBQghEJIDMgUIIRCSAzoECCMQJzoFCAAQyQM6CAgAEBYQChAeOgYIABAWEB46CAghEBYQHRAeOgUIIRCgAToHCCEQChCgAToECCEQFVD3XljWjAFgzo8BaABwAHgAgAGOAYgB0Q6SAQQxNi40mAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpesABAQ&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwjnidHyz7ntAhVElFwKHSDoCfAQ4dUDCA0&uact=5 However, prior to covid, in september last year, he/govt was “looking very seriously” at making vaccinations [non covid ones, obviously] compulsory for state school pupils and has taken advice on how such a law could work, the health secretary has said." https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/sep/29/government-seriously-considering-compulsory-vaccinations-matt-hancock So why, given his clear support for mandatory vaccines well before the covid epidemic, his he now issuing statements which imply that he only wants compulsory covid vaccine as a last resort? IMO, he is playing the game I explained above. The govt 'hints' will continue, along with increasing use of terms like 'responsibility' joined with references to how anyone refusing the vaccination will be putting lives at risk and basically be responsible for future lockdowns.
  11. I'm unclear on the distinction you are making. The governments current statement is- "There are currently no plans to place restrictions on those who refuse to have any potential Covid-19 vaccine." For the reasons I listed previously, I believe the possibility of compulsory covid vaccinations, or complusion in the form of restrictions, is real. I'd advise those who concur to sign the petition, and, any other petition that calls for the covid vaccination not to be made compulsory, or complusion in the form of restrictions in the future. While I oppose some of the changes made by the act in question, I am not, nor have I ever been, under the impression "that changes to the Control of Disease Act 1984, which came into force on the 27th April 2020 regarding vaccines and Covid-19 medical treatment, mean that the Government has the power to force medication on you and that this means vaccines." I see the possibility of compulsory covid vaccine coming from several other sources previously listed, NOT from the changes to the Control of Disease Act 1984 which the page you link to discusses.
  12. Yes- I posted that link myself a bit back
  13. pharmacuetical corporations in general are actually quite crooked- here's a list of the largest legal settlements when their crimes have been uncovered- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_pharmaceutical_settlements Bear in mind that the sums may seem large, but generally are peanuts compared to the profits achieved by the crimes, which pretty much guarantees things won't change, as the settlements basically become a straightforward business expense.
  14. Of course, I hope you are right. I'm not anti-vax but I am very anti-compulsory covid vaccination [including compulsion in the form of 'restrictions' to travel/social events] But I see several factors that lead me to believe that compulsory covid vaccination is on the cards for the future- 1. the govt has previously issued several statements saying it won't be mandatory "“There will be no compulsory vaccination, that’s not the way we do things in this country." https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/uk-news/boris-johnson-says-covid-19-19333253 yet here they are about to have a debate on whether to restrict those who turn it down! 2. the constant wording such as "It is vital that a significant proportion of people who are offered take up a Covid-19 vaccine in order to protect themselves as well as other vulnerable individuals. Averting a second wave is a key priority for the government and high take up of a vaccine when available will greatly contribute to that." with the implied threat that if the public don't go along with it in the required numbers, then, just as happened with many of the lockdown measures, they will be made to. 3. as we've learned on this thread, no safety testing for long-term side effects for the vaccine [it would be impossible]- as someone has previously pointed out, long term side effects are considered unlikely, nevertheless, a portion of the public will refuse it for that reason. 4. we've also learned that no testing has been done for drug interactions- I feel this will inevitably lead to many of those on long term pharmaceuticals being somewhat wary of having the vaccine, and, of course, the vaccine won't be permitted for those who are pregnant or on immuno-suppressive drugs. points 3 and 4 could well lead to sufficient numbers refusing the vaccine [or not being eligible for it], that the government will increase the pressure, via restrictions, or, ultimatey, making it compulsory.
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