Mister Gee Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 2 hours ago, redruby said: I don’t admire someone passing them self off as homeless and taking advantage of the generosity of well meaning, charitable people. And apparently using the money to buy drugs. I don’t love but you’ve fell for it full line and sinker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelworker Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 23 hours ago, makapaka said: What would you rather him do? He’s not hurting anyone is he - stood in the cold trying to sell a magazine most people will refuse. would you rather he stops selling the big issue and begs? Jesus wept. If true, after 8 years of continual income from selling these magazines he should have moved on to work he wouldn't have been able to acquire before. I thought the big issue was all about giving people a start and a first step, not for long term careerists. He's hurting people, he is hurting other homeless who are selling the big issue or want to, by competing with them. Perhaps they have just taken the opportunity and it's all they have available, whereas this guy should be able to move on to a supermarket or warehouse job after 8 years, surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 11 minutes ago, Steelworker said: If true, after 8 years of continual income from selling these magazines he should have moved on to work he wouldn't have been able to acquire before. I thought the big issue was all about giving people a start and a first step, not for long term careerists. He's hurting people, he is hurting other homeless who are selling the big issue or want to, by competing with them. Perhaps they have just taken the opportunity and it's all they have available, whereas this guy should be able to move on to a supermarket or warehouse job after 8 years, surely. Why? He's effectively self employed and can do hours to suit . Might be better off than on a zero hours contract and may have mental health problems that make it difficult for him to work in an environment where he's constantly under supervision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest makapaka Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 21 minutes ago, Steelworker said: If true, after 8 years of continual income from selling these magazines he should have moved on to work he wouldn't have been able to acquire before. I thought the big issue was all about giving people a start and a first step, not for long term careerists. He's hurting people, he is hurting other homeless who are selling the big issue or want to, by competing with them. Perhaps they have just taken the opportunity and it's all they have available, whereas this guy should be able to move on to a supermarket or warehouse job after 8 years, surely. How do you know his circumstances? How do you know that after (apparently) 8 years of selling the big issue in the street he’s all set to go into full time employment and there’s a ready made job for him in a “supermarket or warehouse”. for gods sake the blokes making a living out of selling a magazine on the street and you’re digging him out - have a word with yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelworker Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 8 minutes ago, Longcol said: Why? He's effectively self employed and can do hours to suit . Might be better off than on a zero hours contract and may have mental health problems that make it difficult for him to work in an environment where he's constantly under supervision Because it goes against all the ethos of the big issue which is supposed to help the homeless. It's not supposed to be about competing with or providing an alternative to other low skilled work. If he struggles with an environment like you suggest then he needs help and therapy to overcome it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelworker Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 8 minutes ago, makapaka said: How do you know his circumstances? How do you know that after (apparently) 8 years of selling the big issue in the street he’s all set to go into full time employment and there’s a ready made job for him in a “supermarket or warehouse”. for gods sake the blokes making a living out of selling a magazine on the street and you’re digging him out - have a word with yourself. The Big Issue is clearly failing if someone can sell it for 8 years without their situation changing. The blokes making a career out of an opportunity that is supposed to be reserved for the homeless, and therefore he is hurting the homeless in the same way fake beggars do. Either he is gaming the system and using it as an alternative to other low skilled work or the big issue has failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, Steelworker said: Because it goes against all the ethos of the big issue which is supposed to help the homeless. It's not supposed to be about competing with or providing an alternative to other low skilled work. If he struggles with an environment like you suggest then he needs help and therapy to overcome it. That was how it started back in the early 90's - things have changed - like introduction of zero hours contracts, benefits sanctions, massive cuts to budgets providing housing and support to homeless people - just a few examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve68 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 On 22 February 2020 at 09:38, jonnythefox said: He isnt homeless he lives on rudyard road. If it's the old guy, I see him most mornings he pitches up just before 8am most days, when I've spoken to him he's told me he's homeless and spent the night there, even though I've watched him walk up Middlewood road minutes earlier and he's long gone once the area is quiet never see him once the shops are closed unless he then pitched up at Morrisons, hes out begging in all weathers, he chooses to pretend he's homeless. so anyone that chooses to give him money probably thinks he's genuine and they're helping an old guy out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest makapaka Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 10 hours ago, Steelworker said: The Big Issue is clearly failing if someone can sell it for 8 years without their situation changing. The blokes making a career out of an opportunity that is supposed to be reserved for the homeless, and therefore he is hurting the homeless in the same way fake beggars do. Either he is gaming the system and using it as an alternative to other low skilled work or the big issue has failed. The big issue has failed because it’s provided someone who was homeless with an income over a period of 8 years? You have no idea of his circumstances that yet apparently he is the one hurting the homeless? I’ve never heard such rubbish. of all the things you could try and target to solve homelessness you’ve picked on a magazine that has allowed a homeless person to get an income. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 54 minutes ago, makapaka said: The big issue has failed because it’s provided someone who was homeless with an income over a period of 8 years? You have no idea of his circumstances that yet apparently he is the one hurting the homeless? I’ve never heard such rubbish. of all the things you could try and target to solve homelessness you’ve picked on a magazine that has allowed a homeless person to get an income. Quoted for truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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