ECCOnoob Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 10 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said: I don't think it is fair that poor pensioners who already get a free TV licence should have to be means tested to keep a free TV licence. It wouldn't be so bad if all pensioners already receiving a free TV licence were allowed to keep it and only future pensioners over 75 needed to be means tested to get a free TV licence. Taking away a free TV licence seems unfair. You've missed my point by a country mile. People who watch television now who pay for a TV licence have to fund the BBC even if they never watch any BBC programs. The point is the TV licence is outdated and new ways should be introduced to fund the BBC . Challenge the government then. Its their law that mandates that everyone must have one if they choose receive any broadcast signal from any platform. Say the BBC was closed tomorrow. Do you think the government would cease tv licences or do you think they would just find an alternative receipient of the monies? I personally dont understand why its seemingly fair for the majoiry of pensioners (except deemed pension credit level) to be suddenly exempt from paying something they were happily paying at 74 years old. What is this dramatic change over 12 month which suddenly stops their ability to pay? Their money certainly doesn't go down. The cost of living doesn't suddenly shoot up over and over what anyone else has to deal with. Why are they so special? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 10 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said: Challenge the government then. Its their law that mandates that everyone must have one if they choose receive any broadcast signal from any platform. Say the BBC was closed tomorrow. Do you think the government would cease tv licences or do you think they would just find an alternative receipient of the monies? I personally dont understand why its seemingly fair for the majoiry of pensioners (except deemed pension credit level) to be suddenly exempt from paying something they were happily paying at 74 years old. What is this dramatic change over 12 month which suddenly stops their ability to pay? Their money certainly doesn't go down. The cost of living doesn't suddenly shoot up over and over what anyone else has to deal with. Why are they so special? I am not going to challenge anyone and will continue to obey the law and pay for a TV licence. I personally wouldn't have a problem if the TV licence was replaced by a broadband tax which enabled the over 75's to watch television in their own home for free. When people reach the age of 75 their health is likely to be less good than it was at 65 and for many of them the television is a lifeline. I don't begrudge the over 75's having a perk of watching television in their own home without paying for the service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kidorry Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 Don`t forget that when you reach 75 you may have been paying for a T.V. licence for maybe 50 years and some of those moaning about the 75s getting a free licence are younger than that and probably never paid for a licence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin-H Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 17 minutes ago, Kidorry said: Don`t forget that when you reach 75 you may have been paying for a T.V. licence for maybe 50 years and some of those moaning about the 75s getting a free licence are younger than that and probably never paid for a licence. So let’s apply that logic to everything... Why should people over 75 pay for rent, or petrol, or food? Some of them will have been paying for that for over 50 years after all.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 22 minutes ago, Kidorry said: Don`t forget that when you reach 75 you may have been paying for a T.V. licence for maybe 50 years and some of those moaning about the 75s getting a free licence are younger than that and probably never paid for a licence. A good fair point. 3 minutes ago, Robin-H said: So let’s apply that logic to everything... Why should people over 75 pay for rent, or petrol, or food? Some of them will have been paying for that for over 50 years after all.. That's a ludicrous illogical comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin-H Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said: A good fair point. That's a ludicrous illogical comparison. Why? Elderly people who want to drive will pay for petrol. Elderly people may have been paying for petrol for 50 years. Should that exempt them for paying for it anymore? That’s the same argument as.. elderly people who want to watch live tv will pay for a tv licence. Elderly people may have been paying for a tv licence for 50 years.. therefore they should be exempt from paying for it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Robin-H said: Why? Elderly people who want to drive will pay for petrol. Elderly people may have been paying for petrol for 50 years. Should that exempt them for paying for it anymore? That’s the same argument as.. elderly people who want to watch live tv will pay for a tv licence. Elderly people may have been paying for a tv licence for 50 years.. therefore they should be exempt from paying for it.. it's a ludicrous illogical comparison because all elderly people who have been paying for a TV licence for over 50 years have being paying what is effectively a tax to fund one single organisation. All elderly people will have paid the same annual amount each year to fund the one organisation. All the examples you have given fund thousands of different organisations consisting of different expenditure for every different pensioner over the 50 years. Edited June 15, 2019 by Lockdoctor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 What is the argument that those who can afford it shouldn't pay for it then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin-H Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 14 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said: it's a ludicrous illogical comparison because all elderly people who have been paying for a TV licence for over 50 years have being paying what is effectively a tax to fund one single organisation. All elderly people will have paid the same annual amount each year to fund the one organisation. All the examples you have given fund thousands of different organisations consisting of different expenditure for every different pensioner over the 50 years. I don't see how that makes a difference at all. People don't stop having to pay tax just because they've paid it for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 13 minutes ago, Cyclone said: What is the argument that those who can afford it shouldn't pay for it then? Age obviously I have also seen D day mentioned a lot, even by friends, sigh Sadly it's all well meaning but still boolocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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