Sheffield Bus Partnership update

[Caz1 10]

I suppose there will still be no bus going up Greenhill Avenue. When i first moved here there were 3 buses, 2 to town and one to Meadowhall. Now there is none. A while ago the no.19 came up here, now even that one now goes as far as Chancetwood. It is not so bad walking to Meadowhead in the summer but in the winter when its icy and dark nights it isnt so good. I have complained before but just get told that it is too busy with traffic for buses to keep to their timetable but surely other roads are just as busy.

[-xsf 10]

I don't see why the travelling public should be held to ransom by the likes of Stagecoach, who make multi-million pound profits. The SYPTE should have put contracts out to tender if these companies were threatening to leave the city, there are other providers who I'm sure would be happy to operate buses in Sheffield.

 

I don't think people realise what impact this will have, as the information provided seems to be intentionally baffling.

[Annie Bynnol 613]

The legislation introduced and later amended by government that would allow local authorities to regulate bus companies is flawed. These are called Quality Contract Schemes where the local authority would set fares, routes, frequency and subsidy.

 

No local authority has as yet have one in place because of:

cross subsidy is illegal - prevents a group of services to be clustered as in the practice in many other countries.

legal challenges - such legislation is being challenged in court.

cost of implementation - extra cost of legal an professional advice.

cost of management - cost of extra staffing to plan, contract , audit and monitor.

cost of failure - the enormous cost to the public of providing buses, staff, depots etc. if a provider withdraws or fails.

political and economic brinkmanship - long running and very public argument between local authority and bus company(ies).

In PTE areas monopolies by one or two companies make control impossible.

 

The Sheffield Bus partnership is seen by most as the best solution until the government re-drafts its legislation on bus deregulation or allows the nationalization of bus operation as in London.

[Andy C 86]

TM TRAVEL SERVICE CHANGES

 

New timetables can be found here: http://www.tmtravel.co.uk/bus-times/

 

from 25 October 2015 - Derbyshire services

 

65 Some changes to journey times. Most journeys will now operate without subsidy

 

215 Afternoon school journey retimed, evening journeys discontinued and replaced with journeys on service 218

 

218 Sunday frequency reduced to hourly for the duration of the winter. Evening journeys introduced between Bakewell and Sheffield to replace service 215.

 

252 Some afternoon journeys deleted, otherwise the service will continue as present

 

272 Evening journeys will be provided by another operator. Details will soon be available from Derbyshire County Council as to the exact arrangements. AM journeys operated by TM Travel will be unaffected.

 

273/274 Sunday journeys previously operated by TM Travel will resume for the winter.

 

from 1 November 2015 - Sheffield bus partnership changes

 

2 Replaced by service 32- see below

 

6 Will extend from City Centre to Royal Hallamshire Hospital, Brocco Bank, Carter Knowle to Millhouses Tesco.

 

32 New service that is similar to service 2 between Sheffield and Shirecliffe, but extends through Parson Cross to Northern General Hospital and Firth Park. This service is joint with Sheffield Community Transport operating alternate journeys.

 

55 The route between Alport Ave and Crystal Peaks will be: Silkstone Rd, Dyke Vale Rd, Birley Spa La, Main Street, Beighton Rd, Moss Way and Ochre Dike Lane to Crystal Peaks. The other end of the route is unchanged and the timings remain similar.

 

61/62 Will operate to Arundel Gate in the City from Hillsborough, offering direct journeys from Bradfield and Loxley and other outlying areas to the City.

 

70 Service withdrawn

 

85 Minor changes to the route in the City will take place, so the journeys we operate will pick up at the same places as the First journeys. All journeys will become 85 instead of 85A and will not serve Fox Hill Crescent

 

265 Stagecoach will operate all journeys.

 

STAGECOACH - THEIR NEW SHEFFIELD NETWORK

 

Buses

 

1 High Green-Ecclesfield-Pitsmoor-City-Hemsworth-Batemoor

 

7 Ecclesfield-Parsons Cross-Neepsend-City-Manor Top-Woodhouse-Crystal Peaks

 

25 Bradway-Low Edges-Woodseats-City-Woodhouse

 

31 City-Upperthorpe-Walkley-Hillsborough-Loxley (Early morning, evenings and Sundays)

 

35A Chapeltown-Thorncliffe Industrial Estate

 

43 Sheffield-Dronfield-Dronfield Woodhouse-Chesterfield

 

43A Sheffield-Dronfield-Hallowes

 

44 Sheffield-Coal Aston-Dronfield-Chesterfield

 

44/45 Chapeltown-Rotherham-Herringthorpe

 

50/50A Sheffield-Mosborough-Eckington-Chesterfield

 

52 Hillsborough-Crookes-City-Darnall-Handsworth-Woodhouse

 

53 Sheffield-Mosborough-Eckington-Mansfield

 

57 City-Stocksbridge

 

71/71A Sheffield-Mosborough-Halfway-Killamarsh-Renishaw-Chesterfield

 

72 Moss Way-Crystal Peaks-Beighton-Holbrook-Killamarsh

 

83A Ecclesfield-City-Hunters Bar-Fulwood

 

86 Chapeltown-Grenoside-Foxhill-Penistone Road-City-Millhouses-Greenhill-Low Edges

 

88 Smithy Wood-Ecclesfield-City-Bents Green

 

120 Halfway-Crystal Peaks-Hackenthorpe-City-Ranmoor-Fulwood

 

201 Chapeltown-Stocksbridge

 

265 Sheffield-Chapeltown-Barnsley

 

SL1 Middlewood-Stocksbridge

 

SL2 Malin Bridge-Stannington

 

X17 Sheffield-Chesterfield-Matlock

 

Trams

 

Blue Malin Bridge-Hillsborough-Shalesmoor-City-Norfolk Park-Gleadless-Crystal Peaks-Halfway

 

Purple City-Norfolk Park-Gleadless-Herdings Park

 

Yellow Middlewood-Hillsborough-Shalesmoor-City-Attercliffe-Meadowhall

 

---------- Post added 19-09-2015 at 18:39 ----------

 

FIRST'S NEW SHEFFIELD NETWORK

this isn't quite clear yet but looks something like:

 

1a High Green-Herdings

3 Nether Edge-Meadowhall

8/8a Ecclesfield-Crystal Peaks

18 City-Norton Lees-Meadowhall

20 Hemsworth-Hillsborough

24 Lowedges-Woodhouse

35

38 Hillsborough-Firth Park-Meadowhall

40 Catcliffe/Hackenthorpe-Sheffield

51 Charnock-Lodge Moor

52a Woodhouse-Crookes-Hillsborough-Wisewood

56 City-Wybourn

74 Sheffield-Harthill

75 Batemoor-

76 Lowedges-

81 Stannington-Dore

83 Ecclesfield-City

85 High Green-Chancet Wood/Totley Brook

95 Walkley-

97 ?

98 ?

120 Crystal Peaks-Fulwood

181 Dore-Hallamshire Hospital

272 Sheffield-Castleton

X5 Sheffield-Dinnington

Edited September 19, 2015 by Andy C

[SIR1974 10]

FIRST'S NEW SHEFFIELD NETWORK

this isn't quite clear yet but looks something like:

 

1a High Green-Herdings via Chapeltown, Ecclesfield, Firth Park, NGH, City, Hemsworth

3 Nether Edge-Meadowhall via City, Pitsmoor, NGH, Firth Park, Meadowhall

8/8a Ecclesfield-Crystal Peaks via Penistone Rd, City, Manor Top, Birley

18 City-Norton Lees-Meadowhall via Hollythorpe Rise, Woodseats, Derbyshire Lane, Manor Top

18a Jordanthorpe - Manor Top - Meadowhall

20 Hemsworth-Ecclesfield via City, Norwood Rd, Southey Green, Yew Lane

24 (Bradway) - Lowedges-Woodhouse via Chesterfield Rd - Manor Park - Castlebeck

35 City - Sandstone Rd - Meadowhall - Firth Park - Fox Hill - Hillsborough

38 Hillsborough-Firth Park-Meadowhall

40 Catcliffe- Manor Top - Arbourthorne -Sheffield

41 Hackenthorpe - Manor Top - Arbourthorne - Sheffield

51 Charnock-Lodge Moor

52a Woodhouse-Crookes-Hillsborough-Wisewood

56 Herdings - Heeley - City-Wybourn

75 Batemoor- City - Firth Park - Shiregreen (47)

76 Lowedges- City - Firth Park - Shiregreen (76)

81 Stannington-Dore via City

82 Hall Park Head - Millhouses via City

83 Ecclesfield-City - Bents Green via Greystones

85 High Green-Chancet Wood via Fox Hill, Hillsborough, City, Abbeydale Rd, Hutcliffe Wood

95 Walkley- City

97 Totley - City - Scott Rd - Longley - Southey Green - Halifax Rd - Hillsborough

98 Totley Brook - City - Scott Rd - Longley - Southey Green - Donavon Rd - Hillsborough

120 Crystal Peaks-Fulwood

181 Dore-Hallamshire Hospital

271/271 Sheffield-Castleton , 271 via Hallamshire Hospital

[mda03cn 10]

TM TRAVEL SERVICE CHANGES

 

New timetables can be found here: http://www.tmtravel.co.uk/bus-times/

 

from 25 October 2015 - Derbyshire services

 

65 Some changes to journey times. Most journeys will now operate without subsidy

 

215 Afternoon school journey retimed, evening journeys discontinued and replaced with journeys on service 218

 

218 Sunday frequency reduced to hourly for the duration of the winter. Evening journeys introduced between Bakewell and Sheffield to replace service 215.

 

252 Some afternoon journeys deleted, otherwise the service will continue as present

 

272 Evening journeys will be provided by another operator. Details will soon be available from Derbyshire County Council as to the exact arrangements. AM journeys operated by TM Travel will be unaffected.

 

273/274 Sunday journeys previously operated by TM Travel will resume for the winter.

 

from 1 November 2015 - Sheffield bus partnership changes

 

2 Replaced by service 32- see below

 

6 Will extend from City Centre to Royal Hallamshire Hospital, Brocco Bank, Carter Knowle to Millhouses Tesco.

 

32 New service that is similar to service 2 between Sheffield and Shirecliffe, but extends through Parson Cross to Northern General Hospital and Firth Park. This service is joint with Sheffield Community Transport operating alternate journeys.

 

55 The route between Alport Ave and Crystal Peaks will be: Silkstone Rd, Dyke Vale Rd, Birley Spa La, Main Street, Beighton Rd, Moss Way and Ochre Dike Lane to Crystal Peaks. The other end of the route is unchanged and the timings remain similar.

 

61/62 Will operate to Arundel Gate in the City from Hillsborough, offering direct journeys from Bradfield and Loxley and other outlying areas to the City.

 

70 Service withdrawn

 

85 Minor changes to the route in the City will take place, so the journeys we operate will pick up at the same places as the First journeys. All journeys will become 85 instead of 85A and will not serve Fox Hill Crescent

 

265 Stagecoach will operate all journeys.

 

STAGECOACH - THEIR NEW SHEFFIELD NETWORK

 

Buses

 

1 High Green-Ecclesfield-Pitsmoor-City-Hemsworth-Batemoor

 

7 Ecclesfield-Parsons Cross-Neepsend-City-Manor Top-Woodhouse-Crystal Peaks

 

25 Bradway-Low Edges-Woodseats-City-Woodhouse

 

31 City-Upperthorpe-Walkley-Hillsborough-Loxley (Early morning, evenings and Sundays)

 

35A Chapeltown-Thorncliffe Industrial Estate

 

43 Sheffield-Dronfield-Dronfield Woodhouse-Chesterfield

 

43A Sheffield-Dronfield-Hallowes

 

44 Sheffield-Coal Aston-Dronfield-Chesterfield

 

44/45 Chapeltown-Rotherham-Herringthorpe

 

50/50A Sheffield-Mosborough-Eckington-Chesterfield

 

52 Hillsborough-Crookes-City-Darnall-Handsworth-Woodhouse

 

53 Sheffield-Mosborough-Eckington-Mansfield

 

57 City-Stocksbridge

 

71/71A Sheffield-Mosborough-Halfway-Killamarsh-Renishaw-Chesterfield

 

72 Moss Way-Crystal Peaks-Beighton-Holbrook-Killamarsh

 

83A Ecclesfield-City-Hunters Bar-Fulwood

 

86 Chapeltown-Grenoside-Foxhill-Penistone Road-City-Millhouses-Greenhill-Low Edges

 

88 Smithy Wood-Ecclesfield-City-Bents Green

 

120 Halfway-Crystal Peaks-Hackenthorpe-City-Ranmoor-Fulwood

 

201 Chapeltown-Stocksbridge

 

265 Sheffield-Chapeltown-Barnsley

 

SL1 Middlewood-Stocksbridge

 

SL2 Malin Bridge-Stannington

 

X17 Sheffield-Chesterfield-Matlock

 

Trams

 

Blue Malin Bridge-Hillsborough-Shalesmoor-City-Norfolk Park-Gleadless-Crystal Peaks-Halfway

 

Purple City-Norfolk Park-Gleadless-Herdings Park

 

Yellow Middlewood-Hillsborough-Shalesmoor-City-Attercliffe-Meadowhall

 

---------- Post added 19-09-2015 at 18:39 ----------

 

FIRST'S NEW SHEFFIELD NETWORK

this isn't quite clear yet but looks something like:

 

1a High Green-Herdings

3 Nether Edge-Meadowhall

8/8a Ecclesfield-Crystal Peaks

18 City-Norton Lees-Meadowhall

20 Hemsworth-Hillsborough

24 Lowedges-Woodhouse

35

38 Hillsborough-Firth Park-Meadowhall

40 Catcliffe/Hackenthorpe-Sheffield

51 Charnock-Lodge Moor

52a Woodhouse-Crookes-Hillsborough-Wisewood

56 City-Wybourn

74 Sheffield-Harthill

75 Batemoor-

76 Lowedges-

81 Stannington-Dore

83 Ecclesfield-City

85 High Green-Chancet Wood/Totley Brook

95 Walkley-

97 ?

98 ?

120 Crystal Peaks-Fulwood

181 Dore-Hallamshire Hospital

272 Sheffield-Castleton

X5 Sheffield-Dinnington

 

Do you know whether the H1 will still be in service Andy? I can't find it on any lists.

[Andy C 86]

Do you know whether the H1 will still be in service Andy? I can't find it on any lists.

 

Yes, it hasn't had any changes registered. I could be wrong but I have a feeling it runs under contract to the NHS rather than as part of the Sheffield bus partnership.

 

I've run a search on VOSA and this appears to be the new list of services operated by Sheffield Community Transport.

 

5 Sheffield-Firth Park

10/10A Manor Park-Hallamshire Hospital & Upperthorpe circle

31/31A Sheffield-Walkley-Hillsborough-Loxley (Mon-Sat daytime)

32/32A Sheffield-Firth Park (alternate journeys)

268 Hillsborough-Wharncliffe

H1 Hallamshire Hospital-Northern General Hospital shuttle

M92 Foxhill-Harley

S6 Hillsborough shopper circular

 

Elsewhere it looks like no changes to the M17 operated by Hulleys between Dore, Bradway and Jordanthorpe. The Hulleys journey from Sheffield to Baslow on route 218 (about 7pm) is altered and using a different route (via Ecclesall Road, Fox House and Grindleford) and will be numbered as a 65A.

 

Things will become clearer and more accurate once SYPTE have published all the timetables and network maps on the Travel South Yorkshire website, the first few timetables were posted on Friday.

Edited September 20, 2015 by Andy C

[mda03cn 10]

Thank you, that's a relief

[Andy C 86]

A summary of the November bus service changes is now available at http://www.travelsouthyorkshire.com/servicechanges/

[Onthetyne 10]

Going to be some unhappy bunnies

[Funky_Gibbon 42]

At first glance it appears that they've backtracked/compromised on some of the changes I was concerned about. Going to have to see the map or full timetables to be sure but it appears they actually listened.

 

Thanks for the update Andy C.

[Fudbeer 12]

Thanks Andy

 

Cant say I'm impressed.

 

If I'm reading it right the replacement to the 87 the 86 is only running every half hour in the day it currently runs every 10 mins!