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5 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

I’m confused. How does a politician going to the scene of a high profile news story, matter?

Especially one who has no power to do anything at all,  he is not even capable of cleansing his Party of the anti-semites that inhabit it.  He is a busted flush, hard to understand why the Boris does not call a GE and with Nigels help, commit the marxist pensioner to history.

 

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2 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Trying to defend him?

 

I’m saying that politicians of any political colour turning up at news events, for what is effectively just a photo opportunity, is a bit seedy.

Oh riiiiiiight.    So you think that we the public would be perfectly happy with politicians just quietly carrying on with their jobs and showing no presence at the scenes after or during a potential major event.    If that's the case why did the glorious opposition leader throw such barbs at Teresa May for her "lack of action" and "avoidance" over meeting ordinary people at Grenfell then??

 

Good god, these Ministers cannot win can they.  Whatever they do the gobs on the opposite bench will complain.    Turn up to a scene and they are dismissed as shameless opportunists just seeking a photo op.     Dont turn up to a scene and they are slagged off as being uncaring, out of touch, emotionless....

 

 I trust that you fully condem Corbyn for not only shamelessly seeking this photo op - but even further adding insult to injury by rocking up well after the main event is over?

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Mister Gee said:

That’s incredibly crass even by your standards.

Not crass at all.   Realistic.   I call out hypocracy from both sides of the house.

 

In any event, I would always argue that victims in the eye of the storm after such a tragedy need practical, decisive and supportive actions from the proper authorities.   What they dont need is some suit turning up with a load of press patting them on the hands and doing their best "concerned face" for 10 minutes before buggering off.    Unfortunately the wider population doesn't see things that way.   Rightly or wrongly the public opinon and twitterati seem to think that government ministers must be seen, visiting, pointing, talking and showing their emotions at the scene in order to be deemed acceptable.   To not do so is political suicide in the eyes of the electorate.

 

That's how we end up with situations like this.

 

Its completely obvious that neither Johnson nor Corbyn are any use stood there on the scene and would get far much more work done back at their offices - but that's not what we the public expect.    We have to see them.  We have to have some pathetic visual representation that they understand and feel about some incident.  

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15 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

Oh riiiiiiight.    So you think that we the public would be perfectly happy with politicians just quietly carrying on with their jobs and showing no presence at the scenes after or during a potential major event.    If that's the case why did the glorious opposition leader throw such barbs at Teresa May for her "lack of action" and "avoidance" over meeting ordinary people at Grenfell then??

 

Good god, these Ministers cannot win can they.  Whatever they do the gobs on the opposite bench will complain.    Turn up to a scene and they are dismissed as shameless opportunists just seeking a photo op.     Dont turn up to a scene and they are slagged off as being uncaring, out of touch, emotionless....

 

 I trust that you fully condem Corbyn for not only shamelessly seeking this photo op - but even further adding insult to injury by rocking up well after the main event is over?

 

 

 

Not crass at all.   Realistic.   I call out hypocracy from both sides of the house.

 

In any event, I would always argue that victims in the eye of the storm after such a tragedy need practical, decisive and supportive actions from the proper authorities.   What they dont need is some suit turning up with a load of press patting them on the hands and doing their best "concerned face" for 10 minutes before buggering off.    Unfortunately the wider population doesn't see things that way.   Rightly or wrongly the public opinon and twitterati seem to think that government ministers must be seen, visiting, pointing, talking and showing their emotions at the scene in order to be deemed acceptable.   To not do so is political suicide in the eyes of the electorate.

 

That's how we end up with situations like this.

 

Its completely obvious that neither Johnson nor Corbyn are any use stood there on the scene and would get far much more work done back at their offices - but that's not what we the public expect.    We have to see them.  We have to have some pathetic visual representation that they understand and feel about some incident.  

Who are the proper authorities?

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16 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

Oh riiiiiiight.    So you think that we the public would be perfectly happy with politicians just quietly carrying on with their jobs and showing no presence at the scenes after or during a potential major event.  

Absolutely!

 

Turning up to cry crocodile tears and smile for the cameras is shameless self promotion. You said yourself that they can’t actually do anything so why go?

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3 minutes ago, Mister Gee said:

Who are the proper authorities?

Police, Fire and Rescue Services, Doctors, Counsellors, Crisis provision services and official investigators with the knowledge, experience and practical skills people need and the proper management to deliver it. 

 

The politicans SHOULD be getting on with the back office work to ensure that the arrangements for such services are in place along with the monies to provide it.    They should also be preparing for any fall out after the investigations have place and liaising with the relevant government agencies to deal with any changes in legislation or delivery.

 

IMO none of that is achieved by wasting time travelling around to show "concern" and "sympathy" in front of the cameras.  

 

But, as I said earlier - my blunt approach to life is far outweighed by others who see different and expect the elected leaders to put on some performance in order to somehow show they are "working" 

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1 hour ago, banjodeano said:

No it doesn't, show me the definitions and I will then agree with you

Shy  or RELUCTANT TO DO SOMETHING.    UNWILLING.

 

That's  Corbyn down to a tee.

 

 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

Police, Fire and Rescue Services, Doctors, Counsellors, Crisis provision services and official investigators with the knowledge, experience and practical skills people need and the proper management to deliver it. 

Are you aware that all of the above have been really struggling due to government cuts?

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4 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Absolutely!

 

Turning up to cry crocodile tears and smile for the cameras is shameless self promotion. You said yourself that they can’t actually do anything so why go?

Because the wider public expect (even demand it).   Anything else apparently shows them as out of touch and emotionless i.e. unelectable. 

 

1 minute ago, Mister Gee said:

Are you aware that all of the above have been really struggling due to government cuts?

What has that go to do with a politician turning up on site?    Boris is not going to wave some magic wand and fix it will he.      If anything is going to change it will be changed from his office desk not there. 

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Just now, ECCOnoob said:

Because the wider public expect (even demand it).   Anything else apparently shows them as out of touch and emotionless i.e. unelectable. 

 

What has that go to do with a politician turning up on site?    Boris is not going to wave some magic wand and fix it will he.      If anything is going to change it will be changed from his office desk not there. 

He’s been waving around more magic wands than Sooty and Sweep over the last week, so who knows?

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1 hour ago, Mister Gee said:

He’s been waving around more magic wands than Sooty and Sweep over the last week, so who knows?

And magic money trees....

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2 hours ago, Mister Gee said:

He’s been waving around more magic wands than Sooty and Sweep over the last week, so who knows?

😂

Here he is

 

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Good news, Labour comes out in favour of a second referendum!

 

Bad news - its in Scotland.

 

Worse news - McDonnell didn't tell the leader of Scottish Labour, where the policy is no second referendum.

 

Do these people not speak to each other before making public statements?

 

Labour government 'would not block' indyref2

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49257322

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