Sheffield Council to decide the fate of your ANPR data

[Planner1]

Forgive us for not believing a word any of the MP`s say .

 

this ANPR stunt is just another way of tracking us and spying on us ,the same as the government wanting to moniter all our emails, texts ,ETC

this is 1984 big brother dressed up as a traffic improvment scheme.

 

lets be honest -everybody knows which roads get congested at peak times ,which are the busy routes and where the improvements are needed -you dont need to spy on people to find that out.

 

The Police have their own extensive ANPR system, so your movements are already monitored. The Council's system does not spy on people, it tracks a vehicle movement via the number plate, our system holds no personal data, we don't konow who you are and don't want to.

 

It's all well and good "knowing" where problems exist. There are many many places where there are problems all over the country.

 

The people who provide the funds for transport schemes want quantified justifications for proposed projects, we have to provide business cases that monetarise the benefits of the scheme and provide a benefit / cost ratio. The transport models we have are used for this. The ANPR data will feed the models, the better the model the better the output.

 

The real time driver information systems which the ANPR data will feed have been proven to reduce congestion in other cities.

[WilburrUK]

The Police have their own extensive ANPR system, so your movements are already monitored. The Council's system does not spy on people, it tracks a vehicle movement via the number plate, our system holds no personal data, we don't konow who you are and don't want to.

 

It's all well and good "knowing" where problems exist. There are many many places where there are problems all over the country.

 

The people who provide the funds for transport schemes want quantified justifications for proposed projects, we have to provide business cases that monetarise the benefits of the scheme and provide a benefit / cost ratio. The transport models we have are used for this. The ANPR data will feed the models, the better the model the better the output.

 

The real time driver information systems which the ANPR data will feed have been proven to reduce congestion in other cities.

 

Can you provide references to studies where that proof is established ?

 

also, maybe this would be a good time to re-state the question which got ignored the last time I asked it...namely

 

Also, Planner1, has repeatedly implied that there are problems connecting various ANPR systems. Presumably that means that this system will NOT be connected to the national ANPR database in Hendon?

[sccsux]

I don't believe any of the Councils involved have been innundated with complaints, so no, it clearly isn't an unpopular policy.

 

How many councils have actually performed consultancies with their electorate to find out public reaction to this scheme?

 

I bet you can count the number on a duck's fingers!

[alchresearch]

It's all well and good "knowing" where problems exist. There are many many places where there are problems all over the country.

 

I can echo that sentiment. I raised a complaint about a traffic issue last year. When it was discussed at a parish council meeting everyone agreed that they'd encountered the same problems. But I was the only one who raised the issue to the point of it getting treatment.

 

People just don't bother reporting things any more.

[Planner1]

also, maybe this would be a good time to re-state the question which got ignored the last time I asked it...namely

 

No, the SYITS ANPR system will not be connected to the database at Hendon.

[Planner1]

How many councils have actually performed consultancies with their electorate to find out public reaction to this scheme?

 

I bet you can count the number on a duck's fingers!

 

There's no requirement for public consultation on something like this.

 

What would be the point, consultation is usually done to inform the decision makers? The system is now being installed and it already has political approval.

[hettiechloe]

There's no requirement for public consultation on something like this.

 

What would be the point, consultation is usually done to inform the decision makers? The system is now being installed and it already has political approval.

 

That's as maybe, but it's certainly not got the publics' approval...or does that not count?

[sccsux]

The system is now being installed and it already has political approval.

 

Political approval doesn't equate to lawful and/or legal though.

 

Maybe someone should launch legal action to have a Judicial Review into the governments/councils implementation of these schemes, especially when there are issues of privacy to contend with (which the council seem to disregard).

[Planner1]

That's as maybe, but it's certainly not got the publics' approval...or does that not count?

 

It's impractical to go to the public and ask them whether they approve everything a Council does. For a start, how do you even define "the public"?

 

That's why everything has to be approved by elected representatives, your Councillors. They have approved this system and therefore the democratic process has been served.

[Planner1]

Political approval doesn't equate to lawful and/or legal though.

 

Maybe someone should launch legal action to have a Judicial Review into the governments/councils implementation of these schemes, especially when there are issues of privacy to contend with (which the council seem to disregard).

 

No one has provided any evidence that ANPR is not, or might become, illegal. In fact a few posts back, someone was actually conceding that very point, it is legal.

 

This post is indicative of your attitude. The Police already have a fully operational ANPR system, which:

• DOES link number plates to keeper details
  
• DOES feed information on your movements into a national database
  
• DOES record video images of you
  

 

The Council's system does none of the above, but you show no concern whatsoever about the Police system. Basically you're moaning because it's something the Council is doing. Your SF name sums up your attitude very well.

 

The Council doesn't "disregard" your views, it simply does not agree with them. If Councils could only implement things which EVERYONE agreed with, NOTHING would ever be done. Is that what you want?