Women urged to get back in the kitchen...

[Carmine 10]

Personally I find that these statements betray a chauvanistic arrogance that is as worrying as the pervasive sleaze more common in political circles. The very fact that a UKIP MEP feels that he has the right to make such sexist and backwards comments with casual abandon is a universal insult to women.

[Snook 10]

I can't really believe that he is concerned with womens rights. men already are far more likely to get a job in upper management, and are paid more for doing the same jobs as women on average and he thinks women should have less rights in the workplace? How many more rights do men want exactly? The right to carry clubs and drag women off by their hair??

[Tony 10]

Originally posted by tosh13

why don't you clean behind the fridge incapable are you,I am disabled & I help my wife who is a carer as much as I can & making flippent remarks about such thing's are out of date remarks & do not belong in today's society whether trying to be funny or not,show some respect.

Umm.. better clear this one up quick - I was being deeply ironic. Maybe a few hundred more smileys would have helped?

[tosh13 11]

Originally posted by Tony

Umm.. better clear this one up quick - I was being deeply ironic. Maybe a few hundred more smileys would have helped?

apology for missunderstanding T & yeah a few hundred smiley's would have made it clearer lol

[tinajones 10]

Back to the subject please...

 

Ukip MEP: Pregnant women should resign

 

Sarah Left

Tuesday July 20, 2004

 

The UK Independence party today named a man who would like to overturn maternity leave rights as its representative for the European parliament's committee on women's rights and gender equality.

Ukip MEP Godfrey Bloom told Guardian Unlimited that maternity policy should be: "If you want to have a baby, you hand in your resignation and free up a job for another young lady."

 

Mr Bloom was selected by the party's chairman to "represent men's rights" on the influential committee. He still needed to be voted in by the European parliament in order to take his seat as a member of the committee.

 

Mr Bloom explained that he would like to overturn EU maternity legislation if his position allowed. He said maternity laws that gave women six months of paid leave and the option of another six months unpaid leave, had resulted in women losing jobs and employment. Many businesses only employed women over 40, he said.

 

"Regulation in protection of women is all well and good in academic and government circles. If you're a small business, you'd be a lunatic to hire a woman of child bearing age," Mr Bloom said from Brussels, where the new intake of 732 MEPs were taking their seats for the new five-year session.

 

Ukip's most high-profile member, Robert Kilroy-Silk, lost his BBC talk show after making controversial comments about Arabs, in which he labelled them "women repressors".

 

A party spokesman backed off somewhat from Mr Bloom's stance, suggesting that an exemption for businesses with less than 20 employees could solve much of the problem. Almost all companies must give female employees maternity leave, which, the spokesman said, created an undue burden for some businesses.

[evildrneil 14]

I'm still waiting for the name change - they are probably tossing up between UK Intollerence Party and UK Isolationist Party!

[Sony 10]

Has society changed for the better in the last 50 years or so? Who or what can it be blamed on? I don't really have much of an opinion on this one but the only thing I can say is women have children but as soon as the toddler is able to walk she cant wait to go back to work leaving the kid quite often to fend for himself or looked after by strangers ( By strangers I mean non family members). The kid hardly sees his mum AND dad as they are both working long hours and not spending enough time with the child.. Wether the woman or bloke should stay at home I don't know but someone should.. We live in a society where everyone wants money, more and more of it, and we then tend to forget our own families..

[eviljock 10]

Originally posted by Snook

Serves people right for voting for people who were obviously reactionaries and crack-pots. Bless their voters, every last one.

 

My mother (aged 76) voted for them as did my aunt (78 ) and uncle (80). And all three of them would agree with the tosh being spouted by the UKIP. So don't think there's going to be some huge backlash from disenchanted voters. There is still a huge right-wing element out there and trash like the BNP and UKIP thrive on it.

[Hadron 10]

Ive got a minute to waste so I've had a look at the link.

 

I think he has just remarked about "getting back to basics" and the fact that family values are suffering in todays every one must work society.

 

I would like to be the family provider and my income be enough to bring up my family but as it is now prices have gone ballistic and so we dont get much choice in wanting our partners to work or not.

 

I dont mind career minded women, some are very good but they ineviatably pay the price for doing so.

 

My kids would like to see more of their parents now but as we are squeezed more and more for every penny by the government, banks and service providers we are heading for trouble and need to do something now.

[Mo 10]

Originally posted by Sony

Has society changed for the better in the last 50 years or so? Who or what can it be blamed on? I don't really have much of an opinion on this one but the only thing I can say is women have children but as soon as the toddler is able to walk she cant wait to go back to work leaving the kid quite often to fend for himself or looked after by strangers ( By strangers I mean non family members). The kid hardly sees his mum AND dad as they are both working long hours and not spending enough time with the child.. Wether the woman or bloke should stay at home I don't know but someone should.. We live in a society where everyone wants money, more and more of it, and we then tend to forget our own families..

 

Agreed.

 

I was hoping that the discussion would debate the wrongs or rights of what he said rather than be a bash Ukip thread.

 

I am a stay at home mum because that is the right choice for me but I wouldn't want to force all women to do as I do.

 

I know women who go out to work because they can't afford to live on one meagre wage per household and thats sad. Given the choice I know that they would love to be full time mums.

 

I also know women who leave the house at 6.30am drop child off at child minders and return home with said child at 7pm. Child bathed and put straight to bed. Ditto the next day and the next. All this done for fancy holidays and expensive clothes.

I do wonder why mums like this have children?

[Greybeard 10]

Mo

 

I don't believe it's just for "fancy holidays and expensive clothes". I think the property market and the desire to own our homes is the main reason that both partners feel the need to work and constantly rising house prices will only aggravate the situation.

 

What's the monthly cost of a 90% mortgage on a modest house in Hillsborough or Stannington for a first time buyer compared to the average monthly wage ? I've no idea, but I'll bet there is not enough left over to meet the cost of bringing up a couple of kids unless both partners work.

 

In many families these days holidays are the only times the kids see both parents together for any length of time. Both of my children and their partners are in this situation, but fortunately we grandparents can relieve some of the financial stress by undertaking child care free of charge. I imagine life is pretty tough for couples who haven't got the support of grandparents.

[Mo 10]

Originally posted by Greybeard

Mo

 

I don't believe it's just for "fancy holidays and expensive clothes". I think the property market and the desire to own our homes is the main reason that both partners feel the need to work and constantly rising house prices will only aggravate the situation.

 

What's the monthly cost of a 90% mortgage on a modest house in Hillsborough or Stannington for a first time buyer compared to the average monthly wage ? I've no idea, but I'll bet there is not enough left over to meet the cost of bringing up a couple of kids unless both partners work.

 

In many families these days holidays are the only times the kids see both parents together for any length of time. Both of my children and their partners are in this situation, but fortunately we grandparents can relieve some of the financial stress by undertaking child care free of charge. I imagine life is pretty tough for couples who haven't got the support of grandparents.

 

You are correct about the pressure of increased mortgages. I don't know how young people are expected to get their feet on the home ownership ladder but.......

 

 

I still maintain that if you are prepared to live a less meterialistic lifestyle you definitely can manage on much less. Our income was almost cut in half when I left to have children and we have had to make economies(many of them) but what we get in return is far more precious than sky tv, dvds, fancy label clothes and holidays in costa del sol.