Broomhill Residents Parking Scheme - Success?

[chris@25]

2. The cause is an unforeseen exponential increase in cars, not a lack of planning in the past.

 

One random example; newly built Tapton school. Built under PFI so used as local sports centre and college by night. Car park not sufficient for this purpose, people park (dangerously) on the entrance road and on Darwin Lane.

 

Also, nit-pickingly, the increase in car ownership is neither exponential (gradual and slowing in fact) or unforseen (pretty obviously connected with increasing employment).

[Tony]

Can you remember the traffic being this bad 10 years ago when that school was planned?

 

At that time Tapton Park Road was car free in the daytime. Look at it today.

[Planner1]

So everyone with large houses with drives will be able to park their second and third cars outside them, people in terraced houses will be fighting over the reduced number of spaces on their streets, and no-one will be able to actually drive their cars anywhere as they won't be able to park when they get there. Great.

 

As you mention schools etc., can I ask a question about why people need to park on streets, which is this; why are schools, shopping centres, hospitals, pubs, and everything else built with insufficient parking? Is it not to do with planning guidelines in many cases?

 

Like everything else, planning guidelines change over time. Car ownership has grown beyond anything that was catered for years ago. By shopping centres, I mean places like Hillsborough, Woodseats etc, which have grown along main roads over the years.

[sccsux]

By contrast the people here and those on this forum seem very loyal to the place compared with many other cities nearby and I think they deserve better treatment, the local council here is a disgrace.

 

The city of Sheffield is pretty fine (so are most of the people).

 

The council (be it headed by LiBore, CONservatives or the wishy-washy Lib Dems) are total crap:thumbsup:

[chris@25]

Like everything else, planning guidelines change over time. Car ownership has grown beyond anything that was catered for years ago. By shopping centres, I mean places like Hillsborough, Woodseats etc, which have grown along main roads over the years.

 

I was referring to this sort of thing:

 

http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/in-your-area/planning-and-city-development/planning-documents/otherinformation/car-parking-guidelines

 

http://www.communities.gov.uk/index.asp?id=1144018#P135_41771

 

Quote: "52. Policies in development plans should set maximum levels of parking for broad classes of development. Maximum standards should be designed to be used as part of a package of measures to promote sustainable transport choices, reduce the land-take of development, enable schemes to fit into central urban sites, promote linked-trips and access to development for those without use of a car and to tackle congestion. There should be no minimum standards for development, other than parking for disabled people."

[Planner1]

I was referring to this sort of thing:

 

http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/in-your-area/planning-and-city-development/planning-documents/otherinformation/car-parking-guidelines

 

http://www.communities.gov.uk/index.asp?id=1144018#P135_41771

 

Quote: "52. Policies in development plans should set maximum levels of parking for broad classes of development. Maximum standards should be designed to be used as part of a package of measures to promote sustainable transport choices, reduce the land-take of development, enable schemes to fit into central urban sites, promote linked-trips and access to development for those without use of a car and to tackle congestion. There should be no minimum standards for development, other than parking for disabled people."

 

Yes, new developments of any size have a Travel Plan as part of the planning conditions. This helps buinesses / organisations to minimise the incidence of single occupant car use and helps the deevloper and occupants focus on sustainable travel options.

 

For residential development, for example The Forge on London Road is a large student flats development. It has very few parking spaces and has a planning condition that residents will not be eligible for the residents parking scheme which will be implemented there in the next couple of years. The same sort of condition applies on many of the flats developments in the city centre.

[Darbees]

 

For residential development, for example The Forge on London Road is a large student flats development. It has very few parking spaces and has a planning condition that residents will not be eligible for the residents parking scheme which will be implemented there in the next couple of years. The same sort of condition applies on many of the flats developments in the city centre.

The only way this would work is if they were told they weren't allowed to have cars if they lived there. Obviously lots of them, probably the majority, will have cars so the parking problem is exacerbated whilst the greedy developers get optimum profit on the land aided and abetted by the planning dept.

[Planner1]

The only way this would work is if they were told they weren't allowed to have cars if they lived there. Obviously lots of them, probably the majority, will have cars so the parking problem is exacerbated whilst the greedy developers get optimum profit on the land aided and abetted by the planning dept.

 

The place has next to no parking. What there is is for disabled or the shops underneath.

 

I saw another post on the Forum which said that the parking problems which local people feared would come from the Forge had never materialised.

[chris@25]

Yes, new developments of any size have a Travel Plan as part of the planning conditions. This helps buinesses / organisations to minimise the incidence of single occupant car use and helps the deevloper and occupants focus on sustainable travel options.

 

A very New Labour use of the word "help" if you don't mind me saying so!

[Rangefinder]

Maybe one of the parks near the town centre should be sacrificed and made into a mega multi storey car park for workers only i.e. they buy a season ticket.

Providing more central car parking will merely encourage more car commuters thereby increasing congestion and journey times. Just like widening roads leading them to fill up with more cars thereby returning to sqaure one in terms of congestion and delays. Providing more capacity is no solution. One can only hope that there is some upper limit to acceptable journey times beyond which people will wake up to the absurdity of car commuting and clamour for more rational solutions.

 

Park and ride could play a part (tho' we may struggle to find appropriate sites especially perhaps on the west side of town). Also congestion charging, although I gather the perceived threat of Meadowhell with it's "free" parking frightens city traders off this. Does anyone think how much it really costs to drive around looking for "free" parking or out to Meadowhell? Think of the mileage rates payed by employers or allowed by the revenue, not just the price of fuel.

 

By the way, if we spend less time in our cars we rediscover what they have caused us to lose. City living will be civilised. Streets will be safer with more pedestrians. Pavement cafes quieter and fume-free. The gentle outdoor exercise of walking. What sense does it make that we drive through traffic queues to the gym then get on a treadmill?