Illegal Economic Migrants Fake Conversions To Christianity

[hackey lad 3,991]

18 minutes ago, Longcol said:

Which enquiry?

 

This one?

 

https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/127/public-accounts-committee/news/200242/asylum-accommodation-rwanda-public-accounts-committee-launches-inquiry/

 

or this one?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/11/home-office-to-accept-calls-for-inquiry-into-asylum-seeker-centre-say-sources

No and no 

[Longcol 610]

7 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

No and no 

So you have a link to this cross party enquiry?

[peak4 287]

2 hours ago, The_DADDY said:

No. Not so. I think you'd struggle to find any sane person who disagrees with legal migration for those in need. What people are getting increasingly hostile towards are the many many 1000s of military aged men (with no wife, no kids) who are illegally entering out country every month. We can't sustain it. 

 

2 hours ago, butlers said:

The military aged men  thing is such a mind blowingly stupid talking point

It would be equally valid to describe them as "working age men", but maybe that would appeal to a different audience.
We could even allow those who have had preliminary security vetting to work, and thus show their willingness to contribute to our society, whilst their refugee status is being determined before a final decision.

Interesting articles in the Irish press

"Military Age Males"
The media, politicians and activists are very inconsistent about when it's ok to be afraid of men and the threat of male violence

In the Irish Examiner last week, Mick Clifford wrote about the origin of the term “Military Age Males” and its creeping use in Irish society in the context of immigration. 

The concludes that this “ugly trope” originated during the war on terror as an American way of presumptively designating young men killed in drone strikes as legitimate targets.

A government activist quoted by the piece “tracked the use of the phrase by British white supremacists… around 2015… (they were tweeting) about “a tsunami of Muslim men of fighting age” en route to the UK.

Others immediately locked onto the phrase and it spread throughout far-right circles.”

 

The piece referred to is in The Irish Examiner, and behind a paywall, but here's a link which should be readable
Essentially the term started out in use by the  US government, but has now been taken up by those who seek to spread division and hatred.
Mick Clifford: What is it about the fear of men?
Lock up your daughters, unvetted, military age men are coming to town

The ugly trope is wheeled out now whenever there is the possibility of shelter being provided for those in need.
Lock up your daughters, unvetted, military age men are coming to town.
“We don’t know where they are coming from,” is the usual refrain. “There is a school nearby.” Worse, “there is a creche just up the road.”

“I’ve worked in this sector for over 20 years and some of the most vulnerable people I’ve met have been single men.”

The narrative in which the trope is constructed, and which now has entered the mainstream, is rooted in some twisted logic.
These male asylum seekers claim to be fleeing war, but they are of military age so why are they not remaining in their country to fight?

This infers they have character defects, which gives rise to questions as to whether they have been “vetted”.
All of this is based on nothing more than racism and a campaign to demonise all who are applying for international protection.

It has, however, been relatively effective.

Once the phrase “military-aged males” entered the lexicon, it was quickly taken up by those who were intent on demonizing asylum seekers arriving in the west from underdeveloped, often Muslim, countries.

[hackey lad 3,991]

1 hour ago, hackey lad said:

No and no 

 No .

[peak4 287]

2 hours ago, hackey lad said:

Wonder why there’s a cross party inquiry into it , going on then  ?

 

1 hour ago, hackey lad said:

No and no 

 

1 hour ago, Longcol said:

So you have a link to this cross party enquiry?

Yes it's a pain when  folks make claims without evidence, particularly those to complain when others do the same.
I'm guessing this one

Asylum decision-making and conversion to Christianity

Non-inquiry session

 

Only two written submissions thus far
Written evidence submitted by The Archbishops' Council of the Church of England ; which contains the following

Summary
 The Church of England does not set a central policy for supporting asylum claims;
bishops provide leadership and set direction over their dioceses
 Clergy use their wisdom and training to discern the motives of all converts to
Christianity as far as this is possible
 Asylum decisions are for the Home Office and tribunals – evidence from church
members is “not determinative”
 There is no apparent relationship between the numbers of asylum applications and
the number of Church of England adult baptisms
 Asylum seekers can seek baptism through other Christian denominations

 

Written evidence submitted by The Reverend Dr Robert Stephen, General Secretary of the Free Church of England

I have required all Clergy to respond to me on the issues raised under this topic.

There have been no irregular applications for baptism from asylum seekers.

There is one congregation, our Church in Sheffield where we have a Farsi-speaking congregation, where two asylum seekers have been baptised.

They had been members of the congregation in advance of their baptism and have remained regular worshippers since.

They have not requested a reference in support of their application for permission to remain.

I remain convinced that any application would be processed and examined in keeping with the expectations of
the Bishops.

We will review whether written guidance may be required, but

 

 

Edited March 13 by peak4

[peak4 287]

A far more serious problem might be this one.

Essentially some Muslim prisoners put other vulnerable inmates under pressure to convert to Islam.
Stating the blindingly obvious, these are supposed "Muslim" offenders, who are hardly law abiding citizens themselves, probably acting against their own religious teachings, and thus not representative of the UK Muslim population as a whole.
Muslim gangs tell inmates 'convert or get hurt' and offer 'protection' to new prisoners if they take up Islam    LBC though there are plenty of other sources.

Colin Bloom, the report's author, said: "Failure to identify as a Muslim meant that at best the new prisoner would be denied 'protection' from the dominant Muslim gang on that wing, or at worst the new prisoner would be subjected to violence and intimidation from that same gang."

But he also said the Government needed to "redouble" its efforts to "reinforce the distinctions between extremist Islamism and Islam and between Islamist extremists and Muslims".

 

Our government, and some commentators of this forum, should perhaps heed the last sentence that I've emboldened above.

 

It strikes me that this is as much about local gangs as the religion of the offenders.

This also distorts some surveys on the number of Muslim offenders in our judicial system.

i.e.  a certain proportion weren't Muslim when they offended, but now claim to be, and thus show up as Muslim criminals and skew the figures.

[prince al 178]

No more illegals.

[El Cid 221]

8 hours ago, Delayed said:

 

A person's claimed religion is not the deciding factor for asylum cases and certainly a baptismal certificate is in no way evidence of someone's belief in Christianity. 

A 24-year-old Palestinian citizen of Israel is to be granted asylum by the Home Office on the basis that he has a well-founded fear of persecution if returned to Israel.

The Home Office has now accepted that any Palestinian returning to Israel would fear persecution and would be granted asylum!

[Thorpist 72]

“ Abetter  and more trustworthy news source would serve you better.”

looking for assistance here what is considered a trustworthy news source?

All news sources have their own agenda , picking the nuggets of truth out  any of  them is difficult.

Personally kicking foreign law breakers out of the Country would be high on my priority list.

We have enough Uk born criminals to sort out with others.

[Delayed 467]

9 minutes ago, El Cid said:

A 24-year-old Palestinian citizen of Israel is to be granted asylum by the Home Office on the basis that he has a well-founded fear of persecution if returned to Israel.

The Home Office has now accepted that any Palestinian returning to Israel would fear persecution and would be granted asylum!

Link please 

[crookesey 635]

How does a disclexic, agnostic, insomniac who can’t sleep for wondering if there really is a dog stand in all this? 

[Al Bundy 1,577]

10 hours ago, Delayed said:

We do but people don't want to hear about helping the needy. A good mouth foaming story sells. 

AKA , having concerns about immigration.