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[L00b 441]

2 hours ago, Axe said:

The links are scaremongering.  The meat in one white van from Romanian was destroyed because it had been illegally imported without checking whether it was a risk to humans. EU citizens are more at risk of buying dodgy meat because of the Schengen agreement. 

These links are the pointy bit of the surface of the iceberg.

Like literally every other Brexit-related issue (and here, I definitely mean all those issues directly and unambiguously derivable from Brexit, such as this smuggling of sub-standard goods into the UK), it’s taken a long time for the scales to fall off enough peoples’ eyes about such issues, then for the issues to make it through the wall of rethoric and political filtering into the public space, wherein only now are you starting to hear about it in the MSM.
 

It’s a constant drip-drip for the last 3 years, which successive governments and complicit opposition have done all they can to suppress and stage-manage, lest people start to get really angry about it all…Liverpool torches-and-pitchforks -levels of anger.

 

Dodgy meat, and dodgy everything, has been the name of the day for unscrupulous tradespeople on both sides of the Channel since 1st February 2020, cross-Channel couriers were tweeting about it with photos in the first week of it.

You do yourself no favours, nor to your fellow Brits, when you maintain this absurd denial of reality. Start demanding action from your government. Or keep seeing the NHS under strain from people with food poisoning, water poisoning, (…)

[RollingJ 2,047]

5 minutes ago, L00b said:

These links are the pointy bit of the surface of the iceberg.

Like literally every other Brexit-related issue (and here, I definitely mean all those issues directly and unambiguously derivable from Brexit, such as this smuggling of sub-standard goods into the UK), it’s taken a long time for the scales to fall off enough peoples’ eyes about such issues, then for the issues to make it through the wall of rethoric and political filtering into the public space, wherein only now are you starting to hear about it in the MSM.
 

It’s a constant drip-drip for the last 3 years, which successive governments and complicit opposition have done all they can to suppress and stage-manage, lest people start to get really angry about it all…Liverpool torches-and-pitchforks -levels of anger.

 

Dodgy meat, and dodgy everything, has been the name of the day for unscrupulous tradespeople on both sides of the Channel since 1st February 2020, cross-Channel couriers were tweeting about it with photos in the first week of it.

You do yourself no favours, nor to your fellow Brits, when you maintain this absurd denial of reality. Start demanding action from your government. Or keep seeing the NHS under strain from people with food poisoning, water poisoning, (…)

You have data to support this claim?

[Axe 836]

4 minutes ago, L00b said:

These links are the pointy bit of the surface of the iceberg.

Like literally every other Brexit-related issue (and here, I definitely mean all those issues directly and unambiguously derivable from Brexit, such as this smuggling of sub-standard goods into the UK), it’s taken a long time for the scales to fall off enough peoples’ eyes about such issues, then for the issues to make it through the wall of rethoric and political filtering into the public space, wherein only now are you starting to hear about it in the MSM.
 

It’s a constant drip-drip for the last 3 years, which successive governments and complicit opposition have done all they can to suppress and stage-manage, lest people start to get really angry about it all…Liverpool torches-and-pitchforks -levels of anger.

 

Dodgy meat, and dodgy everything, has been the name of the day for unscrupulous tradespeople on both sides of the Channel since 1st February 2020, cross-Channel couriers were tweeting about it with photos in the first week of it.

You do yourself no favours, nor to your fellow Brits, when you maintain this absurd denial of reality. Start demanding action from your government. Or keep seeing the NHS under strain from people with food poisoning, water poisoning, (…)

More waffle.

 

 

33 minutes ago, ads36 said:

question :

 

has anyone told the Americans, Swiss, Japanese, that we'll be turning up, cap in hand, asking for billions of dollars for science funding?

Where does it say the UK will be turning up cap in hand.?   If the UK joined the EU science research scheme then the UK would contribute to the budget and the same would happen if the UK joined a partnership with the USA, Japan and Switzerland.

[XPertByExperien 167]

1 minute ago, Axe said:

More waffle.

 

 

Where does it say the UK will be turning up cap in hand.?   If the UK joined the EU science research scheme then the UK would contribute to the budget and the same would happen if the UK joined a partnership with the USA, Japan and Switzerland.

Er, I hate to be pedantic but you do know it'll be 7 years in May since the UK actually LEFT the EU?

 

For the record, I voted remain, because I predicted that certain stuff that's happened as a direct result of Brexit, probably would do.

 

 

[L00b 441]

29 minutes ago, ads36 said:

question :

 

has anyone told the Americans, Swiss, Japanese, that we'll be turning up, cap in hand, asking for billions of dollars for science funding?

Americans and Japanese already ‘voted’ on that one, ages ago. Brit scientists should save themselves the cost of the stamps, I’m sorry to say.

 

The Swiss, whose R&D is heavy with bio/pharma, prefer to keep it all at home. Though Ireland is getting a small look in every now and then…because Americans and Japanese have long gone there for EU-based bio/pharma R&D.

 

Oxbridge is still looking good for bio/pharma and AI…but there’s scant benefit for the UK when that research output is grabbed by the investing partners to exploit elsewhere. And as regards the corpus of researchers, the pool is shrinking, because EU continentals now go study in Ireland instead of the UK (recent stats I saw, Irish Uni STEM admissions by EU27 have been skyrocketing whilst UK STEM admissions by EU27 have been falling off a cliff; been looking recently as kid looking to do medicine, and UK now a no-go (re.later career with UK degree) even though she’s half-Brit).

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5 minutes ago, Axe said:

Where does it say the UK will be turning up cap in hand.?  

it's just haggling.

 

if we walk away from EU science funding, we will be desperate to replace it - we're screwed without it.

 

this would put us in a *very* weak negotiating position.

[Axe 836]

3 minutes ago, ads36 said:

it's just haggling.

 

if we walk away from EU science funding, we will be desperate to replace it - we're screwed without it.

 

this would put us in a *very* weak negotiating position.

Walking away from the EU science scheme is the correct thing to do if the EU continue to behave as they are doing and link the stalemate to the Northern Ireland protocol dispute.  You earlier described the situation as catastrophic which is drama queen behaviour.  None of the consequences of Brexit are catastrophic.  The earthquake which happened in Turkey and Syria is an example of catastrophic.  I suggest you get a grip.

[L00b 441]

13 minutes ago, RollingJ said:

You have data to support this claim?

Difficult to find, I’ll grant you that.
 

But it exists. Unsurprisingly so, given the increase in risk vectors (mass occurrence of raw sewage discharges in rivers and coastal areas in past 2 years ; little to no checks on imports, save ofc when prompted by intelligence).

 

https://sas.org.uk/updates/sas-on-poo-watch-ahead-of-the-jubilee-weekend/

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/05/dangerous-strain-of-salmonella-becoming-more-common-in-uk-meat

The same pattern of suppression can be observed, e.g. wherein the relatively recent increase in reported food poisoning is allegedly not because of more food poisonings, but because of more reports being made for a ‘same’ level of poisonings. Where have we heard that one before? 😉

26 minutes ago, Axe said:

More waffle.

If you have nothing to say, then do that. Saves bandwidth and the redundant thread scrolling.👍🏻

[RollingJ 2,047]

2 minutes ago, L00b said:

Difficult to find, I’ll grant you that.
 

But it exists. Unsurprisingly so, given the increase in risk vectors (mass occurrence of raw sewage discharges in rivers and coastal areas in past 2 years ; little to no checks on imports, save ofc when prompted by intelligence).

 

https://sas.org.uk/updates/sas-on-poo-watch-ahead-of-the-jubilee-weekend/

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/05/dangerous-strain-of-salmonella-becoming-more-common-in-uk-meat

The same pattern of suppression can be observed, e.g. wherein the relatively recent increase in reported food poisoning is allegedly not because of more food poisonings, but because of more reports being made for a ‘same’ level of poisonings. Where have we heard that one before? 😉

Both links from a while back - anything a little more recent? A straight answer will suffice.

This not personal, as I am aware the EU is the 'Holy Grail' to you - your prerogative - but do you have comparative figures for the EU/EU waters?

[harvey19 541]

It seems as though some people constantly keeping looking for news stories to try and prove we were wrong in leaving the EU.

Brexit has happened things would have changed anyhow.

Get over the fact that we left and trying to convince every one that voting for Brexit was wrong and we were all fooled into voting for it as we were not.

[geared 319]

20 minutes ago, harvey19 said:

It seems as though some people constantly keeping looking for news stories to try and prove we were wrong in leaving the EU.

Brexit has happened things would have changed anyhow.

Get over the fact that we left and trying to convince every one that voting for Brexit was wrong and we were all fooled into voting for it as we were not.

So find a news story that shows it's been a big success and add some balance to the debate.

 

This is a thread for discussing the consequences of Brexit, the discussion doesn't just stop because we left.

[Magilla 510]

24 minutes ago, harvey19 said:

It seems as though some people constantly keeping looking for news stories to try and prove we were wrong in leaving the EU.

Hardly looking... it's getting hard not to constantly fall over them there are now so many issues, and more on a daily basis!

 

Two more today:

 

ONS reports health professional jobs started to go south straight after the referendum... healthcare jobs are now the most common in 9 out of 10 local authorities. They are not being filled, it is hurting the UK economy.

 

BoE - Brexit productivity penalty is £1,000 per household (~£29 billion)

"business investment was 'stopped in its tracks' by the Brexit vote"

 

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Brexit has happened things would have changed anyhow.

Yeah, for the better, not significantly worse... which is the point!

 

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Get over the fact that we left and trying to convince every one that voting for Brexit was wrong and we were all fooled into voting for it as we were not.

You were wrong, demonstrably so... by almost any measurable metric, it is a disaster.... and growing more so.

Edited February 13, 2023 by Magilla