ENG601PM Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Well, there is the other traditional one, where someone has a patron who sponsors them, a "patron of the arts" for example who patronises artists. Dear oh dear. You actually really thought that I might mean that? Really? I mean, really? So this is the exact opposite of you "thinking" that you know what women think?.. I disagree, this is exactly you thinking that you know what women think. Dear oh dear again. Go back, have another read of YOUR post, and see the quote where I write "I want people to think for themselves " and maybe have a think about what "There should be no such patronage. I suspect that most women agree." actually means, not what you would like it to mean. On your current performance I'm starting to doubt my belief that people should think for themselves, but in a potentially futile effort to stay on topic... Do you think that identity politics is a good thing or do you think that people should think for themselves? Or, do you think that women, gays, femmes, butches, gender benders, or anyone should be patronised because you know what's best for them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Do you think that identity politics is a good thing or do you think that people should think for themselves? They aren't mutually exclusive you know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENG601PM Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 They aren't mutually exclusive you know... But what do YOU think? Come on H, let's have a proper discussion instead of point scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 https://vimeo.com/253120683 Benjamin Butterworth comments on Jeremy Corbyn's support of self-identification for trans people and also on transphobia of the anti trans militants and of the press, including The Times in particular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Dear oh dear. You actually really thought that I might mean that? Really? I mean, really? No, just pointing out that there are two meanings and not just the single one you implied. Dear oh dear again. Go back, have another read of YOUR post, and see the quote where I write "I want people to think for themselves " and maybe have a think about what "There should be no such patronage. I suspect that most women agree." actually means, not what you would like it to mean. I think that would typically be patronisation, not patronage. ---------- Post added 29-01-2018 at 18:24 ---------- "There should be no such patronage. I suspect that most women agree." actually means, not what you would like it to mean. Perhaps you should think about what you actually said. Maybe rather than just guessing or speaking for women, you should find out whether they agree... On your current performance I'm starting to doubt my belief that people should think for themselves, but in a potentially futile effort to stay on topic... Ah, you're tried and tested ad hom approach to debate. Can't make the point, attack the poster instead.[quote[ Do you think that identity politics is a good thing or do you think that people should think for themselves? False dichotomy. Or, do you think that women, gays, femmes, butches, gender benders, or anyone should be patronised because you know what's best for them? Ironic "I suspect that most women agree." I haven't claimed to know what's best for them. You are prepared to guess their opinion though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 ..................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 ..................................... Couldn't have put it better myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Couldn't have put it better myself. Its morse code for "what a load of cobblers this topic is". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marymalade Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 https://vimeo.com/253120683 Benjamin Butterworth comments on Jeremy Corbyn's support of self-identification for trans people and also on transphobia of the anti trans militants and of the press, including The Times in particular. Yes I think it sums it all up quite well. He's right that Jennifer James has been suspended for harassment and bullying, not for her campaign. And that the Times has led the anti-trans campaign. Sometimes up to 3-5 articles a week. Its morse code for "what a load of cobblers this topic is" Be a dear and close the door on your way out, won't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENG601PM Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 (edited) No, just pointing out that there are two meanings and not just the single one you implied. I think that would typically be patronisation, not patronage. ---------- Post added 29-01-2018 at 18:24 ---------- Perhaps you should think about what you actually said. Maybe rather than just guessing or speaking for women, you should find out whether they agree... Ah, you're tried and tested ad hom approach to debate. Can't make the point, attack the poster instead. Do you think that identity politics is a good thing or do you think that people should think for themselves? False dichotomy. Ironic "I suspect that most women agree." I haven't claimed to know what's best for them. You are prepared to guess their opinion though. Since your English is as woeful as your maths, you really do need to start reading things more carefully before arriving at your wrong "opinion" because nowhere have I told women what to think or claimed what's best for them. Of all the people you can level that accusation at I am the last on the list. What I have done is to criticise people like you who are telling women (or anyone anywhere on the gender spectrum) what to think or what's best for them. What people don't need is do gooding know nothings patronising them because the do-gooding know nothing thinks that it will be good for them, for reasons, or feelz, or something equally nebulous and patronising. If you agree with that, you or I don't need to say anything more about it to each other. Walk away Cyclone, just walk away. Edited January 30, 2018 by ENG601PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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