Do you try to block people overtaking or passing you?

[Cyclone 10]

Nope. The volume and the restriction cause it to slow, the merging is irrelevant.

[Petminder 10]

Nope. The volume and the restriction cause it to slow, the merging is irrelevant.

Traffic volume, bad driving and queue jumpers cause the slow down.

[Cyclone 10]

No, you're wrong.

[Petminder 10]

No, you're wrong.

 

Feel free to explain how forcing your way to the front of a queue of traffic as no affect on the drivers you push in front of.

[Cyclone 10]

It has no effect on the overall number of cars moving through the obstruction because the merging occurs before the obstruction that is limiting capacity (by definition).

I didn't say it has no affect on those who are queuing, that's a strawman argument.

 

And of course if everyone just joined the lane with the shortest queue, then both would be very close to equal and no advantage could be gained by everyone if they were correctly merging in turn at the end.

[Petminder 10]

It has no effect on the overall number of cars moving through the obstruction because the merging occurs before the obstruction that is limiting capacity (by definition).

I didn't say it has no affect on those who are queuing, that's a strawman argument.

 

And of course if everyone just joined the lane with the shortest queue, then both would be very close to equal and no advantage could be gained by everyone if they were correctly merging in turn at the end.

 

Yes the same number of cars will still move past the obstruction but it will take a little longer when you push, you get through faster than those that take their turn and they are delayed by your selfishness and impatients. Patient drivers merge in good time and impatient aggressive drivers take advantage bu pushing at the last minute, do you avoid merging at the same time as everyone else because you fear someone might push in front of you or do you just think you are more important than everyone else?

[gord115 10]

Do you queue or do you use the empty lane?

I use the empty lane every day, always indicate as the lanes merge and always get in the left lane no problem.

If everyone used both lanes there would be less traffic at the parkway roundabout.

That is how two lanes are meant to be used.

[stifflersmom 11]

Patient drivers merge in good time and impatient aggressive drivers take advantage bu pushing at the last minute, do you avoid merging at the same time as everyone else because you fear someone might push in front of you or do you just think you are more important than everyone else?

 

This just doesn't make sense. If you are claiming that the merging is causing the delay it doesn't matter when that merge occurs. Doing it early would just exacerbate the problem wouldn't it? Furthermore you're now saying everyone is merging at the same time ( early). How is time that any different from merging at the pinch point, apart from being a really inefficient use of road capacity?

[Petminder 10]

This just doesn't make sense. If you are claiming that the merging is causing the delay it doesn't matter when that merge occurs. Doing it early would just exacerbate the problem wouldn't it? Furthermore you're now saying everyone is merging at the same time ( early). How is time that any different from merging at the pinch point, apart from being a really inefficient use of road capacity?

 

No its merging late that exacerbates the problem, merging early keeps the traffic flowing better as long as the minority of inconsiderate drivers don't queue jump. You should get into the open lane in good time and not leave it until you have no choice, if you leave it late you will either have to stop, force your way over or rely another driver giving you priority.

Edited November 20, 2016 by Petminder

[RootsBooster 24]

I use the empty lane every day, always indicate as the lanes merge and always get in the left lane no problem.

If everyone used both lanes there would be less traffic at the parkway roundabout.

That is how two lanes are meant to be used.

 

I'm curious as to what the queue-folk think the second lane is for

[Petminder 10]

I'm curious as to what the queue-folk think the second lane is for

 

Its for overtaking unless overtaking involves, Overtaking and pushing into a queue of traffic which is a fix penalty offence introduced in 2013.

 

http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/legal-advice/careless-driving.html

What is careless driving?

There is no standard list of driver behaviours or poor manouevres that are considered careless but any minor breach of the Highway Code could be perceived to be an offence.

 

Examples include:

 

tailgating

failing to give way at a junction

overtaking and forcing into a queue of traffic

wrong lane at a roundabout

ignoring a lane closed sign and forcing into an orderly queue

lane hogging

inappropriate speed

overtaking on the inside

wheel spins

hand brake turns

operating a sat-nav or reading a map while driving

eating/drinking at the wheel

lane hopping/weaving

overtaking and causing an approaching vehicle or overtaken vehicle to brake

 

http://www.scunthorpetelegraph.co.uk/revealed-72-fines-dished-careless-driving/story-26210130-detail/story.html

 

Number of fines handed out for careless driving offences

 

Undertaking... 7

 

Queue jumping... 3

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/11472113/Inconsiderate-drivers-fall-foul-of-100-fines.html

Inconsiderate drivers fall foul of £100 fines

 

http://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/aboutus/aboutus-depts/aboutus-depts-infman/aboutus-depts-foi/aboutus-depts-foi-disclosure-log/aboutus-depts-foi-disclosure-log-roadspol/hqpa5614_data.pdf

 

Fixed Penalty Notices for "Driving without Due Care & Attention Offences".

Overtaking and pushing into a queue of traffic 8 fixed penalties in 3 months.

 

http://www.southyorks.police.uk/foi/disclosurelog/careless-driving-fpn

 

 

‘SELFISH’ motorists caught queue jumping on one of East Lancashire’s busiest roads are being warned they face being fined.

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/11812736.BAD_MANNERS___Selfish__motorists_caught_queue_jumping_on_M65_warned_by_police/

 

 

Insp Davey said: "The early evening queue to leave the M5 southbound at junction 19 is a frustration for many people. The majority of drivers begin queuing in a safe manner and patiently wait their turn. However there exists a small minority willing to gamble with their own and other road users' safety by trying to avoid queuing.

Read more at http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/police-crackdown-m5-queue-jumpers-portishead-slip/story-28201331-detail/story.html#GLDjuZH0pR6MeXXm.99

Edited November 20, 2016 by Petminder

[cgksheff 44]

Its for overtaking unless overtaking involves, Overtaking and pushing into a queue of traffic which is a fix penalty offence introduced in 2013.

............

 

‘SELFISH’ motorists caught queue jumping on one of East Lancashire’s busiest roads are being warned they face being fined.

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/11812736.BAD_MANNERS___Selfish__motorists_caught_queue_jumping_on_M65_warned_by_police/

 

 

This example refers to two lanes approaching traffic lights.

The right-hand lane has road markings indicating that it is only for vehicles turning right at the lights.

The police are prosecuting those that ignore those road markings and keep driving up to the lights before trying to get back in the left-hand lane to go straight on.

Fair enough.

 

However, despite their being a long tailback of cars in the left-hand lane, it is still permissible to overtake in the right-hand lane until the first road markings/signs appear that limit that lane to right-turners only.

 

The M5 example refers to dangerous stopping on the carriageway.

Edited November 20, 2016 by cgksheff