The Consequences of Brexit (part 2)

[hush]

My bold=

Non EU migrants can't claim benefits for 5 years when they come here. EU ones can after a few months and also you do realise that many NHS workers are from non EU country's?

Your bit regarding Asian women not learning to speak the language competently has no bearing on the discussion but now that you have bought it up what about the EU citizens who come here and can't speak the language?

What about the non EU citizens who have somehow got into the EU and are using that route to just waltz into the UK?

EU freedom of movement that equates to unchecked immigration from the EU was one of the reasons brexit was voted for.

 

Around 1000,000 immigrants from outside the EU arrived in Germany alone in 2015 last year.

Germans are starting to question whether the open borders policy is a great idea.

Of course if you invite folk into your country it isn't long before you have to start giving them citizenship. That would of course be EU citizenship which would entitle them to free movement to any EU country they fancied.

The same of course applies to the hundreds of thousands in Greece, Italy and even those in France who are currently camped up around Calais.

Edited January 2, 2017 by hush

[Gamston]

with care they could negotiate a deal which is at least tolerable to the majority and could rebind the country

 

a deal which satisfies only the shouty exiters will do nothing to heal the rifts or for the economy

I voted NO in the Police Commissioner Referendum and was on the losing side and didn't complain that the Government carried out the democratic wishes of the electorate and introduced Police Commissioners.

 

The only 'shouty' people are dishonest sore losers, who seek to cheat the democratic electorate out of their wishes.

[El Cid]

Around 1,000,000 immigrants from outside the EU arrived in Germany alone in 2015 last year.

Germans are starting to question whether the open borders policy is a great idea.

 

There is talk of WWIII with the election of Trump, I am as much anti-immigration as any UKIP supporter, but we must help Germany over these troubled times. In or out, we live in a international world with easy travel, we are all in this together.

[hush]

There is talk of WWIII with the election of Trump, I am as much anti-immigration as any UKIP supporter, but we must help Germany over these troubled times. In or out, we live in a international world with easy travel, we are all in this together.

 

They entered the EU not the UK and are yet to obtain EU citizenship.

 

Once the UK is outside the EU we can set up negotiations with them on all manner of issues like how we trade etc. We can also discuss with the rest of the world how we handle refugees. That has nothing whatsoever to do with the rights of EU citizens to come to live in the UK.

 

As for talk of WW3 because Donald Trump won a democratic election. You really ought to pick the folk who talk to you rather better.

Edited January 2, 2017 by hush

[Litotes]

Surely, now that brexit has been chosen by democracy, the logical thing would be to have the rules of brexit chosen by democracy as no terms were identified in the original vote.

 

Anything else would be undemoncratic - wouldn't it?

 

Gamston - argue against this one please...

[monkey104]

Nein, the way it works is you use deomcratic apparatus to capture executive power and then impose your version of whatever it is. Then you call it democracy. And it remains democracy as long as everybody agrees with you. If people don't agree with you then they are undemocratic, they

Edited January 2, 2017 by monkey104

[andyofborg]

I voted NO in the Police Commissioner Referendum and was on the losing side and didn't complain that the Government carried out the democratic wishes of the electorate and introduced Police Commissioners.

 

The only 'shouty' people are dishonest sore losers, who seek to cheat the democratic electorate out of their wishes.

 

as i've pointed out many times no one is cheating anyone out of anything though being as you refuse to engage in any meaningful way with the debate about what comes next you will no doubt claim you were cheated no matter what the result is

[Gamston]

Gamston - argue against this one please...

Not a problem .....

 

---------- Post added 02-01-2017 at 15:21 ----------

 

Surely, now that brexit has been chosen by democracy, the logical thing would be to have the rules of brexit chosen by democracy as no terms were identified in the original vote.

 

Anything else would be undemoncratic - wouldn't it?

 

Sorry didn't answer before, because I didn't think you were being serious. Everybody understood before the EU referendum, that whatever the outcome of the result, then the democratically elected Conservative Government, would carry out the wishes of the electorate. How on earth do you think the EU could take the UK seriously, if the negotiators had to consult with the UK public, before they could agree or disagree on any issue ? What you are doing, is hoping the goalposts will be moved, which is not going to happen. Referendums are very rare and it is the responsibility of the Government of the day, to make decisions and sign treaties on behalf the citizens of the UK.

[Sidonica]

How will the government know Exactly what the wishes of the electorate are?

[hush]

How will the government know Exactly what the wishes of the electorate are?

 

The wishes of the electorate are that we leave the EU.

 

Once we have actioned Article 50 that is our declaration that we are leaving. After that we can start to negotiate trade deals and any other arrangements with any nation on the planet. But until Article 50 is actioned there is nothing for Parliament to discuss.

Edited January 2, 2017 by hush