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I couldn't care less as long as we get to choose. I keep hearing from self appointed experts that the economy is about to disintigrate. Won't that make them stop coming and go to the EU instead?

I've already stopped buying wine from EU members and now buy it all from Australia, New Zealand, Chile, USA, Moldova and South Africa. ---------- Post added 04-01-2017 at 19:20 ---------- Did you know that Australia has a GDP the size of that of Russia despite Russia having a population of 144,000,000?

There's no editing or flip flopping here mate. I couldn't care less where those entering the country come from as long as we get to pick which one's we let in. You wouldn't look so daft if you could work that out.

As a "fact" is has no relevance. Being a member of the EU means we cannot control our borders. Being outside the EU means that we can. It seems to be important to Justin who seems to be claiming it as a "non fact".

I don't think I heard that "fact" claimed once. Who do you claim was pushing it as a fact? What figures would you want to portray as your "fact"? The only "fact" that I recall was being an EU member meant we had to have open borders to EU citizens. If we were outside the EU we would be free to pick and choose exactly who we granted access to. The numbers are unimportant. What is important is that we would have the choice.

Perhaps you just aren't bright enough to consider that several EU countries have bond yields several times higher than ours. They also have unemployment several times ours. That is why so many of their nationals come here to get work and why their home industries relly so much on exporting to the UK. Yeah right. Greece, Italy, Spain and Portugal don't need our business. What planet do you live on? "Portuguese 10-year bond yields have soared about 127 bps this year to 3.80 percent. " Greek bond rates typically 6.88%

The UK will suddenly be free to make deals with the rest of the world. I'm pretty sure that when Volkswagen find they can no longer sell cars to the UK the EU will suddenly become a lot more flexible in what sort of deal is on the tablle and how quickly it can be reached.

I don't know about all that but it seems Trump told Ford Motor Company that he would stick huge amounts of import duty on Ford cars built in Mexico and sold in the USA. Today Ford anounced that they were not going ahead with the $1.6 billion factory in Mexico, but were going to build the cars in Detroit instead. Trump has told General Motors pretty much the same. I wonder what will happen once he becomes president?

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I had to laugh the other day. I ran into some folk who had been rather anti David Cameron. I recall them telling us how his negotiations with the EU over our EU membership had been useless and the conessions that he had won didn't amount to a hill of beans. Oddly enough some of them now thought the deal on the table had been a good one after all. I did suggest that if a few more had been a bit more positive and the EU had been a bit more consilliatory we might not be on the verge of leaving the EU. Oddly enough at the time I thought Cameron had done well although the concessions weren't enough change my mind. So it is quite funny that those who were telling us how inadequate a deal on the table was, are the ones who seem to regret that we didn't accept it. It's a funny old world isn't it?

Just as a matter of interest what do you think the EU leaders meant when they said that they would not start to discuss terms or trade deals until Article 50 had been triggered? I do hope that question isn't too complicated for you.

I'm not sure that you've quite got a handle on this. There were no hard brexiters or soft brexiters. There were brexiters. They voted to leave the EU. The rest is just invention by people who want to stir up the pot. The government don't need to know what type of brexit folk want. They just need to trigger Article 50. Once that is done the UK can start to negotiate our relationship with the EU, and for that matter the rest of the world. It doesn't really matter what type of brxit any individual wants. We will get the type of brxit that the EU and the UK agree on. Then if you don't like it in 2020 you can vote for a party who you imagine will provide a different one. You could even move to Scotland where the first minister imagines that she can strike a different deal from the rest of us.

The wishes of the electorate are that we leave the EU. Once we have actioned Article 50 that is our declaration that we are leaving. After that we can start to negotiate trade deals and any other arrangements with any nation on the planet. But until Article 50 is actioned there is nothing for Parliament to discuss.

They entered the EU not the UK and are yet to obtain EU citizenship. Once the UK is outside the EU we can set up negotiations with them on all manner of issues like how we trade etc. We can also discuss with the rest of the world how we handle refugees. That has nothing whatsoever to do with the rights of EU citizens to come to live in the UK. As for talk of WW3 because Donald Trump won a democratic election. You really ought to pick the folk who talk to you rather better.