The consequence thread (Brexit)

[Radan 10]

Will it be Norway,or Switzerland?

 

Or Albania?

 

Norway I think.

[andyofborg 11]

I think we will end up with a deal like Norway. Sadly we haven't been accumulating a staggeringly large sovereign wealth since 1960 like they have.

 

Oops.

 

indeed and what do they have:

 

free movement of people

requirement to implement directives

contribution to budget

 

it will be like we never left

[chalga 10]

Broke yorkshire councils seeking EU reassurances from the tory govt in london. Ha you can make this stuff up

 

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/politics/guarantees-wanted-over-the-future-of-european-millions-1-7982120

 

Get behind the Farmers and the whole of Wales.

[XXTickerXX 10]

Apparently there is a petition for a second referendum, ( unintended consequences of the first one [ over 1,600,000 have signed ]):

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

 

Remember that time the guy in charge said there would be no second referendum under any circumstances?

 

 

Phillip Davies MP replies to a constituent asking for a second referendum.

http://i.imgur.com/phkNIGh.jpg

Edited June 25, 2016 by XXTickerXX

[apelike 10]

I mean We lost 350 billion dollars just last two days from the Uk economy.

 

No we didn't. Shares crashed around the world and it was the people who own them that lost. As far as I know the Government does not trade in shares.

[NigelFargate 10]

It is becoming increasingly clear (see the statements of Juncker yesterday and the six foreign ministers today) that the EU will seek to exact revenge on the UK, mainly to discourage any other state from seeking to leave. They are in condign punishment mode, which hardly bodes well for the prospect of an amicable divorce ( Juncker has even said that it won't be amicable).

[chalga 10]

It is becoming increasingly clear (see the statements of Juncker yesterday and the six foreign ministers today) that the EU will seek to exact revenge on the UK, mainly to discourage any other state from seeking to leave. They are in condign punishment mode, which hardly bodes well for the prospect of an amicable divorce ( Juncker has even said that it won't be amicable).

 

Shows that the Brexiters were right all along......Article 50 please.

[Justin Smith 10]

I`m not sure if this subject is buried in another thread so I`ll start this one, moderators can move it if they feel that`s right. I don`t as it happens this should be a subject all on its own, i.e. easily findable.

 

Has anyone added their name to the petition calling for a rerun of the referendum ? When I signed it it had nearly 1.8 million signatures.

Their argument is no the one I`d have used its :

 

EU Referendum Rules triggering a 2nd EU Referendum

 

We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum.

 

I think a stronger argument would be that the electorate were lied to with the infamous statistic (which, apparently, a large number of the less informed electorate actually believed) about the £350 million pounds a week the EU cost us. Even Farage admits that was a lie.

I`m 100% certain that if the referendum was rerun there would be a different result. People would be voting on what has actrually happened in the last 36 hours, and what could happen in Scotland etc. I also think that people under 16 should be given the vote in this particular referendum (not General Elections) on the basis they`re definitely going to be affected by it for the rest of their lives.

 

Remember this isn`t like a General Election, once we`re definitely out, that`s it.

Edited June 25, 2016 by Justin Smith

[Thunderbox 10]

I don't think either majority could have been classed as a 'win' due to the fact that the EU still have to be negotiated with. Juncker's first comment on hearing that we had voted to Leave was that the 'negotiations' that Cameron had done earlier in the year were 'void and ceased to exist'. It had been said many times that if we remained in the EU, those negotiations would have been thrown out any way because Juncker said they were illegal. So the fact the Cameron always referred to a 'reformed EU' was wrong. Whichever way the vote went, the EU would punish us simply for having the audacity to hold a referendum and also to deter any other member states from doing the same.

 

I believe that the only thing the EU liked about the UK was the huge weekly contribution to their slush fund. As soon as the referendum was announced, Juncker was calling us 'deserters' so it was obvious they would not welcome us with open arms if we stayed with them. Maybe the true benefit of this referendum is that the EU will be forced to take notice of the remaining members and start to reform otherwise others will try to get out.

 

I know this doesn't help us but bleating about 'poor us' ain't gonna get us anywhere. We have a huge amount of youngsters with degrees in busines studies and the like, so perhaps if they stopped worrying whether their holidays to the med are going to get expensive (probably not) or whether they can work abroad (most likely can) then we need to move on. Most of the med make billions from us holidaying there. Does anyone, honestly, think they will price themselves out of the market to prove a point? Probably not.

[Radan 10]

It is becoming increasingly clear (see the statements of Juncker yesterday and the six foreign ministers today) that the EU will seek to exact revenge on the UK, mainly to discourage any other state from seeking to leave. They are in condign punishment mode, which hardly bodes well for the prospect of an amicable divorce ( Juncker has even said that it won't be amicable).

 

He said it wasn't an intimate love affair either.

 

He is having a whinge. The leaders of the 27 other states can decide how amicable to make it.

[Guest]

I can't understand why people (remainers) are prepared to give our sovereignty and democracy away, along with 27 other countries doing likewise, centralising power and decision making, making it distant and remote.

 

We now have all the power and sovereignty that our politicians had given away over the years. This is the only thing that truly matters. Forget the big business wittering; business will do what it has always done, and that is operate in the environment it finds itself in.

[andyofborg 11]

It is becoming increasingly clear (see the statements of Juncker yesterday and the six foreign ministers today) that the EU will seek to exact revenge on the UK, mainly to discourage any other state from seeking to leave. They are in condign punishment mode, which hardly bodes well for the prospect of an amicable divorce ( Juncker has even said that it won't be amicable).

 

it's just froth for the media, both sides understand the reality of the situation and that an amicable divorce is the best for everyone and the alternative damages everyone.

 

we won't get everything we want, they won't get everything they want thats the nature of negotiation and i'm sure there will be headlines aplenty once the real discussion start, just keep calm and carry on