Day to day supply cover in schools.

[truman 10]

Teachers on £30k+ are on a decent wage. It is above the national average. If teacher pay increases significantly, they'll be in the 40% income tax bracket and you'll have to ask the question of, does the teaching profession deserve it. I am not saying they don't, but you'll have to step back and try to justify it.

 

The qualification requirements for a doctor versus a teacher is as different as chalk and cheese. You don't need to be particularly intelligent to be a teacher as the degree requirements are much lower. Teachers don't have to do 5-6 years training whereas a medical degree does take this long.

 

 

 

 

If teachers didn't do their jobs properly then there'd be no doctors so I think a teacher's salary is well justified..

[Hook 10]

Apart from attaching proof of my graduations, or my CV with my qualifications or, would it help if students/lecturers from my courses contacted you.

 

However you would like to try to pull me down feel free but you nor anyone else can take away the fact I've obtained two degrees at Sheffield Hallam University.

 

I finished my BSc in 2006 and my MSc in 2007 and that will never change.

 

I'm no longer going to argue about this because this thread isn't supposed to be an attack on me which it appears a few of you have decided to do, and let's face it I know what I've achieved and going round in circles on here won't gain anything.

 

I wish you all the best and hope you aren't so spiteful and bitter with everyone else in life as that will inevitably only ruin things for yourself.

 

Well Sheffield Hallam says it all. It's not even a proper university!

 

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Lack of parental support on the whole, impossible targets, forever changing goalposts put in place by over-privileged idiots who have never even attended a non-fee paying school in their life, inspections by people with agendas, lack of respect from most sections of society, horrific hours, shocking pay when it's calculated on an hourly basis and compared to other professionals, disgusting working conditions eg not being able to have breaks including toilet breaks, hands tied by red tape when it comes to disciplining pupils, bullying by incompetent heads, under constant scrutiny both professionally and personally, under attack daily from people who know absolutely nothing about what the job entails, having departmental budgets constantly cut so you are struggling for resources, having to pick up the pieces when schools increasingly employ non-qualified staff to teach classes instead of qualified teachers, threats from aggressive parents, having to increasingly do the job of a parent as well as teach pupils....

 

Who would NOT want to be a teacher? No wonder it's attracting people in droves and the retention figures for the profession are at their highest!

 

I wish I could publicly discuss the way I've been treated over the last 12 months, after 4 years improving exam results by more than 30% points just because I had served my purpose.

[jemson 10]

Teachers on £30k+ are on a decent wage. It is above the national average. If teacher pay increases significantly, they'll be in the 40% income tax bracket and you'll have to ask the question of, does the teaching profession deserve it. I am not saying they don't, but you'll have to step back and try to justify it.

 

The qualification requirements for a doctor versus a teacher is as different as chalk and cheese. You don't need to be particularly intelligent to be a teacher as the degree requirements are much lower. Teachers don't have to do 5-6 years training whereas a medical degree does take this long.

 

The continual development of teachers compared to medics is nowhere near as demanding throughout their career. The number of professional exams doctors need to study for and take "after" their degree for decent career progression is arguably one of the toughest out there.

 

I don't think you understand the idea of locum doctors. The reason they are paid as much is because demand outstrips supply. There is a lack of doctors that are required in the NHS in general. If a particular hospital is short staffed, they need to bring in locum doctors in order to provide the care needed. These doctors are right in charging a premium for being available and qualified to do the job. Also, being a locum doctor, you don't get all the work benefits a staff doctor does, so that has to be taken into account. £1000/day is not particularly a lot for a 12hr shift by a locum doctor. As a comparison, there are specialist engineers which can be contracted for £200/hr, which is significantly more.

 

If you actually looked at the detail of the current new T&Cs being proposed for junior doctors you wouldn't dare complain about them. For instance, evening shifts no longer get a premium for anti-social hours and Saturdays to count the same as a weekday. Would you just take such a hit if your T&Cs changed like that?

 

Some of what you both write is incorrect but, more importantly, it serves no real purpose to bicker and compare the lot of medical staff (Doctors here; what about nurses?!) to teachers. At this moment in time, both vocations don`t seem to be valued at all by the current government. It`s almost as if they don`t care about state education and the NHS but then why would they because I`m sure they don`t use either.

[amazon123 17]

I don't think you understand the idea of locum doctors. The reason they are paid as much is because demand outstrips supply. There is a lack of doctors that are required in the NHS in general. If a particular hospital is short staffed, they need to bring in locum doctors in order to provide the care needed. These doctors are right in charging a premium for being available and qualified to do the job. Also, being a locum doctor, you don't get all the work benefits a staff doctor does, so that has to be taken into account. £1000/day is not particularly a lot for a 12hr shift by a locum doctor. As a comparison, there are specialist engineers which can be contracted for £200/hr, which is significantly more.

 

You don't think I understand the lot of locum doctors? How is anything you've written in your description of that role different to the basis of a supply teacher role?

[ez8004 10]

You don't think I understand the lot of locum doctors? How is anything you've written in your description of that role different to the basis of a supply teacher role?

 

Supply teachers aren't worth as much. Nowhere near.

[amazon123 17]

Supply teachers aren't worth as much. Nowhere near.

 

Doctors are overpaid.

Edited October 17, 2015 by amazon123

[GLASGOWOODS 10]

I had a feeling you went to an ex-poly. That was the biggest mistake by previous governments to increase the number of universities by creating the so called "new universities" from ex-polys because the poor standards show.

 

Proper employers actually care about which university you came from and anything outside the Russell Group is pretty much a waste of time. You probably don't even know what the Russell Group is. Oh well.

 

Define proper employers please...A little confused here:huh:

 

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Lack of parental support on the whole, impossible targets, forever changing goalposts put in place by over-privileged idiots who have never even attended a non-fee paying school in their life, inspections by people with agendas, lack of respect from most sections of society, horrific hours, shocking pay when it's calculated on an hourly basis and compared to other professionals, disgusting working conditions eg not being able to have breaks including toilet breaks, hands tied by red tape when it comes to disciplining pupils, bullying by incompetent heads, under constant scrutiny both professionally and personally, under attack daily from people who know absolutely nothing about what the job entails, having departmental budgets constantly cut so you are struggling for resources, having to pick up the pieces when schools increasingly employ non-qualified staff to teach classes instead of qualified teachers, threats from aggressive parents, having to increasingly do the job of a parent as well as teach pupils....

 

Who would NOT want to be a teacher? No wonder it's attracting people in droves and the retention figures for the profession are at their highest!

 

Toilet breaks once again mentioned.

 

Are you saying that your human rights are being abused? Is it in a teachers contract that they cannot use the toilet in school time? Incredible.

[amazon123 17]

Define proper employers please...A little confused here:huh:

 

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Toilet breaks once again mentioned.

 

Are you saying that your human rights are being abused? Is it in a teachers contract that they cannot use the toilet in school time? Incredible.

 

Toilet breaks are mentioned so frequently because many teachers don't have the time to take them, whether you find it "incredible" or not. It might seem surprising to many people who work in areas where they can relieve themselves at will. The very fact you've mentioned contract-based conditions shows how little you know about a profession where contractual obligations mean nothing.

[GLASGOWOODS 10]

Toilet breaks are mentioned so frequently because many teachers don't have the time to take them, whether you find it "incredible" or not. It might seem surprising to many people who work in areas where they can relieve themselves at will. The very fact you've mentioned contract-based conditions shows how little you know about a profession where contractual obligations mean nothing.

 

Haha! My contract comment was 'tongue in cheek.' Why bother signing a contract if it means nothing? Not a smart move in my book.

 

Anyhow, I shall ask again...Why can't teachers find a few minutes to visit the toilet?

[Becky B 31]

Toilet breaks are mentioned so frequently because many teachers don't have the time to take them, whether you find it "incredible" or not. It might seem surprising to many people who work in areas where they can relieve themselves at will. The very fact you've mentioned contract-based conditions shows how little you know about a profession where contractual obligations mean nothing.

 

I'd just like to dip into the thread hear to point out it's not just teachers that don't get toilet breaks (or lunch breaks) - it happens to other professions as well.

 

Professions that also have to train for several years to get into a job, and don't have time to continue their professional development, regularly work over their contracted hours and attend training on days off.

And they may only get (a generous) 5-6 weeks annual leave...

[amazon123 17]

I'd just like to dip into the thread hear to point out it's not just teachers that don't get toilet breaks (or lunch breaks) - it happens to other professions as well.

 

Professions that also have to train for several years to get into a job, and don't have time to continue their professional development, regularly work over their contracted hours and attend training on days off.

And they may only get (a generous) 5-6 weeks annual leave...

 

They should be challenging their working conditions then.

[Becky B 31]

They should be challenging their working conditions then.

 

To what purpose? According to the managers it's their own problem if they don't get a break. There's not much that can practically be done to change the working conditions/environment, and they all chose to do that job.

 

I was just making the point that it's not only teachers who have to work hard...