Cameron's benefit cap

[martok 10]

You realise that "The continent" includes countries with economies that are doing better than our own?

 

Yep and mostly countries with economies that are doing worse than our own.

[Xt500 10]

Yep and mostly countries with economies that are doing worse than our own.

 

yes but changine fast due to all the money sent ...HOME!

[Cyclone 10]

Changing fast are they? For example, which one is recovering on the strength of minimum wage savings being sent home from the UK?

[truman 10]

Changing fast are they? For example, which one is recovering on the strength of minimum wage savings being sent home from the UK?

 

Don't forget the child benefit being sent back home... just saying..it's not much but I suppose it all adds up..

Edited November 28, 2014 by truman

[Xt500 10]

Don't forget the child benefit being sent back home... just saying..it's not much but I suppose it all adds up..

 

It does indeed

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11139515/600000-a-week-paid-out-in-child-benefit-to-parents-overseas.html

 

 

Foreign children living overseas are receiving £600,000 in British child benefit every week, it has emerged.

 

Yet we suffer cuts!

[tzijlstra 11]

Can you bother actually engaging with a conversation Xt500? I asked a question several posts ago but you don't seem too keen to reply?

 

Shall I draw my own conclusions from that?

 

By the way, on the point of child benefit, do you know how much child benefit is being sent from the EU to the UK per week? Or is that not of interest for a fair debate?

[chalga 10]

So you think that UK residents should go and work in fields while we ship millions of immigrants in to do alot more cosy jobs ,more permanent,and better paid?

 

You aren't quite getting it are you?...........the article makes it quite clear that agricultural workers from abroad are being stopped to make way for British workers to move off the dole and do the job.

 

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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/27/david-cameron-european-union-immigration

 

Camerons benefit cap announcement is ready to go public,now I might be wrong,but although this is not affecting the principal of free movement of work within the EU,I thought that EU rules also said that immigrants should be treated no differently to what locals were when it came to benefits.This makes it that they will be,as presumably,in work benefits will still be paid to UK workers,let's see what the EU reaction is to that.

 

And German Gunther Krichbaum is on to it straight away..............discrimination against immigrants is the stumbling block that Cameron is going to come up against with the EU.

 

 

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/28/david-cameron-under-fire-migrants-plan

 

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http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/nov/28/next-polish-workers-british-retailer-poland-uk-minimum-wage-yorkshire-warehouse

 

 

 

Next

Next’s Polish recruitment agency has arranged buses to drive 240 candidates from Warsaw to its West Yorkshire warehouse. Photograph: Paul Faith/PA

Next, the high street retailer run by multimillionaire Tory donor Lord Wolfson, is bussing in hundreds of Polish people to work in its Yorkshire warehouse after claiming to have failed to hire enough British people.

 

The company, which made profits of £695m last year, admitted that it began recruiting Poles for minimum-wage seasonal warehouse jobs 5-10 days before advertising the roles in the UK.

 

Next said it was not preferentially hiring Polish people, but had started the recruitment drive in Poland first because it needed more time to bring people over from the continent.

 

“There are not enough people to recruit in the local area,” a Next spokesman said. “We still haven’t filled the jobs. The reason they do it in Poland first is because it takes longer [before they can start work at the warehouse].”

 

The company has hired about 500 British and 240 Polish people for a total of 840 warehouse roles required over the Christmas shopping and January sales period. The spokesman said the jobs were advertised on Next’s website, in jobcentres and on UK recruitment websites. Next is still actively recruiting in the UK and Poland for 100 more staff.

 

The Yorkshire and Humber region has the second-highest unemployment rate in the country, after the north-east, with 7.2% of people out of work compared with the national average of 6.1%.

 

Next and its Polish recruitment agency have arranged a fleet of buses to drive the 240 Polish recruits 1,180 miles from Warsaw directly to its warehouse in South Elmsall, West Yorkshire. The first of the buses began arriving last month, with up to seven coaches travelling in convey according to the Daily Mirror, which first reported the Polish recruitment drive.

 

The Polish workers are charged £100 a head for the journey, which takes about 19 hours not including stops according to Google Maps.

 

When they arrive at Next’s warehouse, the Polish recruits are charged £50-£65 each per week for shared room accommodation provided by local landlords.

 

The Next spokesman said the accommodation, which is arranged by its Polish recruitment agency, was “maximum two people per room”.

 

Next said the posts vary from a few weeks to a few months. Staff aged over 21 will be paid £6.50 an hour – the minimum wage. The spokesman said they could be eligible for a bonus worth up to 60% more, but not until they completed 12 weeks’ service.

 

The GMB union, which represents Next workers and has embarked on a nationwide tour demanding staff are paid the living wage of £7.85, said it was outrageous that jobs were being offered in Poland before the UK.

 

Paul Kenny, general secretary of the GMB union, which represents Next workers, said: “All over Europe there are labour agencies exploiting posted workers on a massive scale. Internal EU-wide union estimates show that approximately one million workers are exploited as posted workers annually.”

 

“From Lindsey Oil Refinery to food production, we have seen workers recruited in certain member states by agencies and exploited. They were shipped in literally in order to undermine the terms and conditions of existing workers on those contracts. Both sets of workers have been let down by UK government, the European commission and the European court.

 

“On exploitation – don’t blame the exploited; damn those who exploit. This has been repeated up and down the country over recent years. And that is part of the discontent that extreme political parties turn into xenophobic rhetoric to win votes.”

 

The GMB said it met Polish workers off the buses and handed them leaflets in Polish encouraging them to join the union.

 

Wolfson, who owns 1% of Next’s shares worth more than £100m, was paid £4.6m last year. In the current year, his basic salary rises 2% to £1.1m but his total pay is likely to exceed £6.2m with his long-term incentive plan and annual bonus included – even after excluding a bonus he has chosen to share among staff for the last two years.

 

Wolfson has donated more than £400,000 to the Tories since 2006 and advised the party on economic policy before the last general election. He was made a peer by the government in July 2010.

Edited November 28, 2014 by chalga

[ANGELFIRE1 10]

What ever Cameroon says about any thing to do with the EU, take it with a pinch of salt. Unless we leave the corrupt EU, we are under their boot and have do what they say. It's as simple as that.

 

Angel1

[Mecky 10]

Changing fast are they? For example, which one is recovering on the strength of minimum wage savings being sent home from the UK?

 

Seem to remember reading somewhere that eastern europeans were coming to the UK and working in what were effectively bootcamps, saving as much as possible before returning home and starting up a small business concern. But most of the UK thrives on hate and of course there's an election next year.

[Cyclone 10]

My question was about the other European economies that are "changing fast" on the basis of money sent from the UK.

[Mecky 10]

My question was about the other European economies that are "changing fast" on the basis of money sent from the UK.

 

You seem read up on it all, why don't you inform us?

[ubermaus 10]

Seem to remember reading somewhere that eastern europeans were coming to the UK and working in what were effectively bootcamps, saving as much as possible before returning home and starting up a small business concern. But most of the UK thrives on hate and of course there's an election next year.

 

Yes, also a documentary about it. Whole Romanian groups living in houses, saving everything they can get hold of from benefits and work on the side. Some were working legitimately too.

 

Some of the kids were in Romania, one man had actually set a goal of £50k savings and had reached £37k when they stopped filming - all money sent back home.

 

In these cases, we should have a strict benefits cap. 4 years seems about right.

 

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My question is, why can't they integrate and live here, and actually build a life here? pay taxes over time and spend in the economy?

 

I think this is a fair question to ask all immigrants who effectively sponge off another country.