Should we ever tell our children that they re fat??

[thursday 10]

No...the eye rolling smiley certainly indicated to me that they thought that it was acceptable for the children to tell others that they are fat, which may be construed as bullying, a teacher should never think that bullying is called for...so much for anti bullying policies, it speaks volumes to me!

 

You are mistaken. I cannot work out how you came to such a conclusion from what was a straightforward observation.

[Moonbird 11]

On the basis of me agreeing with a point of view that you do not share you now claim that I am insensitive and cannot recognise that children are individuals. How dare you. You also claim that I am lacking in emotional skills merely because I speak from many years of experience and have a point of view different to yours.

 

You may want to think about your position as a moderator on this forum. You were rather quick to personalise this discussion rather than argue your point.

 

 

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So you did. Forgive me, I did not see your reply until now.

Really was it me that did that?

Funny how people see things differently as you say, and of course if you feel that my moderating is questionable in some way you are as always at liberty to go to the helpdesk with your concerns, in case you didn't know moderators are members that are just as entitled to post in their own right if they so choose to do so.

 

Re the rest of your points, it was you who said that said that Children are more thick skinned than people think, is that not a bit of a generalisation then? as in "lumping them all together" perhaps that is a Yorkshire saying I don't know.

 

And no problem re you not seeing my response.

 

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You are mistaken. I cannot work out how you came to such a conclusion from what was a straightforward observation.

 

The smiley, I have explained how I came to that conclusion many times already so perhaps have a read back.

 

But I would be pleased to have been mistaken.

[Goon 10]

Really was it me that did that?

Funny how people see things differently as you say, and of course if you feel that my moderating is questionable in some way you are as always at liberty to go to the helpdesk with your concerns, in case you didn't know moderators are members that are just as entitled to post in their own right if they so choose to do so.

 

Re the rest of your points, it was you who said that said that Children are more thick skinned than people think, is that not a bit of a generalisation then? as in "lumping them all together" perhaps that is a Yorkshire saying I don't know.

 

I've no intention of reporting you. I have never resorted to such tactics and never will.

 

As for my comment 'children are more thick skinned than people think', I stand by it. Prolonged hurtful name calling; or in other words, bullying, I detest and do everything in my power to prevent and nip in the bud as soon as possible. However, my experience tells me that children in general are much more direct and honest than adults are and usually more direct in what they say and in how they interpret things. Children can hold conversations with each other that an outsider can view as nasty when there is really no malice at all. Trust me with this, I have experience.

 

As for generalisations, maybe you could explain this one:

 

'I said that you are another insensitive school worker (or what ever) that lumps the children together'.

[Moonbird 11]

I've no intention of reporting you. I have never resorted to such tactics and never will.

 

As for my comment 'children are more thick skinned than people think', I stand by it. Prolonged hurtful name calling; or in other words, bullying, I detest and do everything in my power to prevent and nip in the bud as soon as possible. However, my experience tells me that children in general are much more direct and honest than adults are and usually more direct in what they say and in how they interpret things. Children can hold conversations with each other that an outsider can view as nasty when there is really no malice at all. Trust me with this, I have experience.

 

As for generalisations, maybe you could explain this one:

 

'I said that you are another insensitive school worker (or what ever) that lumps the children together'.

 

There may be no malice intended but that does not mean that no hurt is being caused, maybe not all of the time but some of it certainly.

 

There are a lot of people that work with Children who are very insensitive to how Children feel, its a mistake to think of and treat Children as all the same.

[Mr Bloom 10]

You are mistaken. I cannot work out how you came to such a conclusion from what was a straightforward observation.

 

That makes at least two of us who have jumped to this conclusion. Why else would you put the word bullying in quote marks and then use the roll-eyes icon?

[Goon 10]

That makes at least two of us who have jumped to this conclusion. Why else would you put the word bullying in quote marks and then use the roll-eyes icon?

 

Maybe, because all too often, the term 'bullying' is used far too easily.

 

Or maybe you were just far too quick to read something into it so you could plaster the forum with your indignation and hatred of teachers.

[Cyclone 10]

Has Thursday been back to defend "bullying" or has goon just taken on himself to explain?

 

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Maybe, because all too often, the term 'bullying' is used far too easily.

 

Where, when and how is it used too easily?

[angos 10]

Are you a parent? If your child came home describing someone as 'fat Alex' or 'big-nosed Johnny', or 'black Vanessa', would that be ok to you, as long as your child was being factually correct? I hope my children's schools are instilling better values in them.

 

No but it wouldn't justify a punishment, it would justify an explanation as to why they look the way they look and why its considered impolite to point it out to them.

 

I wouldn't automatically consider it to be bullying unless I new there was malice behind their words.

 

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I've no intention of reporting you. I have never resorted to such tactics and never will.

 

As for my comment 'children are more thick skinned than people think', I stand by it. Prolonged hurtful name calling; or in other words, bullying, I detest and do everything in my power to prevent and nip in the bud as soon as possible. However, my experience tells me that children in general are much more direct and honest than adults are and usually more direct in what they say and in how they interpret things. Children can hold conversations with each other that an outsider can view as nasty when there is really no malice at all. Trust me with this, I have experience.

 

 

I couldn't agree more.

Edited October 15, 2013 by angos

[Goon 10]

Where, when and how is it used too easily?

 

In my experience in schools I have seen several cases of over-reaction by staff, students and parents where isolated incidents of kids falling out and having a bit of a 'set to' is suddenly blown out of proportion. I have, to a certain extent been guilty of this myself when a girl came to me complaining of being bullied. I dropped everything I was doing in order to pursue the matter only to discover that she just wanted to get somebody into trouble.

 

We really need to step back and not be so hasty to assume that straight-talking or isolated incidents of name-calling are cases of bullying. Of course, real cases of bullying must be dealt with quickly and effectively where possible.

[shaznay 10]

its not what you say its how you say it

instead of maybe saying to the child, 'you are getting fat little Jonny'

maybe be a little more subtle 'I think we will start eating more healthily as a family and hopefully start to feel better about ourselves. After all the parents are proberbly in need of a diet change too.

The worse thing to do is put the child or yourself on a diet, they don't work,I have been a yo yo dieter all my life. I stopped dieting started eating NORMALLY, everything in moderation and I have stayed the same weight for 3 years now.

the problem is everything these days is supersized.....its ridiculous.

If we went to the chippy in the 60's fish and chips was a quarter of the size of todays portions, and of course no burger bars, kfc etc.

I watched a programme last year on BBC2 called The Men Who Made us Fat...was fascinating and where did it all start......yes America.

[Cyclone 10]

In my experience in schools I have seen several cases of over-reaction by staff, students and parents where isolated incidents of kids falling out and having a bit of a 'set to' is suddenly blown out of proportion. I have, to a certain extent been guilty of this myself when a girl came to me complaining of being bullied. I dropped everything I was doing in order to pursue the matter only to discover that she just wanted to get somebody into trouble.

 

We really need to step back and not be so hasty to assume that straight-talking or isolated incidents of name-calling are cases of bullying. Of course, real cases of bullying must be dealt with quickly and effectively where possible.

 

My personal opinion is that name calling, when you describe it like that, is by definition bullying. Calling someone derogatory things, even if factually accurate is always done with the intention of hurting them. That IS bullying.

On the other hand, describing them to a 3rd party is not the same at all. But you wouldn't refer to that as "name calling" would you.

 

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the problem is everything these days is supersized.....its ridiculous.

 

It's not a big problem if you make the majority of meals for yourself/at home.

[Mr Bloom 10]

Maybe, because all too often, the term 'bullying' is used far too easily.

 

Or maybe you were just far too quick to read something into it so you could plaster the forum with your indignation and hatred of teachers.

 

 

Oh, I hate teachers now, do I? :hihi:

 

After your Smart Alec response to another poster that they should have paid more attention in school, perhaps it is YOU who should pay more attention!

 

In answer to the ‘should teachers go on strike thread’, here was my response

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10034099#post10034099

Yes they should. If they are paid and work on a similar basis to their German counterparts, then we would get and keep the caliber of teachers our children deserve, and then perhaps the general public would have more respect for the profession.

 

As it is, the general public seem happy with cheap non-teachers trying to do the job of teaching their children, and then wonder why standards are below their expectations. Idiots.

 

 

On the performance related pay thread:

 

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9391390

A close relative of mine is an excellent teacher. She could have taught wherever she wanted and has been offered jobs from good schools all over the city. She chose to teach a challenging school, as this is what she enjoyed most and also felt that she was doing 'her bit' as she said that children in more challenging schools deserve excellent teachers too. Should she be penalised because the children she teaches have challenging personal circumstances that are barriers to exam success?

 

And, on the teachers on strike thread, which has now been removed, but I can find a cached version:

 

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:6jR9mkz72CcJ:www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php%3Fp%3D10064053+&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

Originally Posted by Mr Bloom

Quote:

 

So let's take it out on the kids eh?

 

If people cared about their childrens education and wanted the best for them, then they would want to ensure that the best of the bunch were attracted to the profession by offering good salaries and working conditions and where they were respected and supported by government. If the teachers are not satisfied with their conditions, then they cannot deliver their best to the kids.

 

The parents who complain are often the ones who seem the least interested in their childrens education, and the least supportive of schools, but feel 'miffed' because they are under some illusion that teachers have a better lot then they do workwise, the rest because it's an inconvenience to them.

 

If you want what's best for your children, education-wise, you need to get behind their teachers and demand the best from the government.

 

 

Oh, and this one was irony!:

 

I've got some good news for you. There are less and less spineless, idle, bleating teachers, with their gold-plated pensions and never-ending holidays and training days than ever before. Let's thank our lucky stars at least the schools are now waking up to the idea that teachers are a total waste of money, when unqualified, non-specialist, inexperienced and cheap non-teachers can do the job instead. The future is looking brighter, fred.

 

And on the no bin collection for a week thread, which has now been closed, so I can’t quote:

 

Originally Posted by Mr Bloom

Quote:

 

 

 

49 posts when the majority of Sheffield have faced disruption with refuse collection services and for many the situation is still worsening. A few schools are disrupted for 1 day, then do all they can to ensure they are open business as usual for the next, and there is uproar, and the same 'lazy teachers' crock but yet bins still remain uncollected from Tuesday across the city. Obviously people prefer 'teacher bashing' to the facts.

 

I could find you loads and loads more. There is no one on this forum who has shown more consistent and vociferous support for teachers, and that includes YOU.

Edited October 15, 2013 by Mr Bloom