Swampster Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Who is to say you could deal with the farmer without a shotgun? I would have thought the latter would be easier. I would find it easier to shoot someone attacking me. And you've had experience shooting humans? it's psychologically a very difficult thing to do, even when under duress... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampster Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Kicking the crap out of someone is not the lawful way to deal with someone who may do harm. Neither is shooting someone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent Orange Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Why would I be wrong on both counts? One I could understand, but what's wrong with the notion of making people pay for damage actually caused, rather than some whim that damage might be caused.. Taking your 'reasonable force' idea.. (which blowing somebody way in a confrontation isn't btw)... if I'm walking down the street, see some dodgy looking geezer stood lurking by a lampost, you think it's acceptable that as I walk past I kick the crap out of him.. becasue he 'looked dodgy' and thought he MIGHT do me some harm... Because if your dog has been shot, then I suspect it would not have been on a lead. There's your first wrong-doing. Secondly, you said you would be in prison if your dog was shot, which suggests you would do something against the law in retaliation of your dog's death. There's your second wrong-doing. Talk about twisting everything I've said. You conveniently missed out the word "attack". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willman Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Neither is shooting someone Your post never mentioned shooting anyone. It mentioned using reasonable force. In your scenario it doesn't exist, you have no rights to attack anyone. Your dog unfortunately can be shot for running loose in a field amongst livestock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent Orange Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 And you've had experience shooting humans? it's psychologically a very difficult thing to do, even when under duress... I am trained to use firearms and yes, I would be able to shoot someone, even under duress. I might not find it easy to live with afterwards, but if it mean't protecting myself against someone raving idiot who wanted to cause me serious harm, then so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampster Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Because if your dog has been shot, then I suspect it would not have been on a lead. There's your first wrong-doing. Secondly, you said you would be in prison if your dog was shot, which suggests you would do something against the law in retaliation of your dog's death. There's your second wrong-doing. Talk about twisting everything I've said. You conveniently missed out the word "attack". I haven't twisted anything you've said.. and not convienently missed out anything either. As for the wrong doing... that would land me a spell at HMP I'd be perfectly fine with that. As for the dog not being on a lead.. perhaps as in the OP' it slipped it's lead, broke free or whatever? Perhaps the farmer should take some better responsibility for fencing his field? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy Jnr Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Neither is shooting someone No but shooting an animal is and be it dog, wolf, tiger, lion, the method of dealing with it is to kill it not try and scare it away. I wonder how people with your train of thought would react to someone entering their house unannounced. Unthinkable violence has been the general concensus on posts that I've read. Face it, we do what we do with no consideration for animals on a daily basis, shooting one means nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent Orange Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 I haven't twisted anything you've said.. and not convienently missed out anything either. As for the wrong doing... that would land me a spell at HMP I'd be perfectly fine with that. As for the dog not being on a lead.. perhaps as in the OP' it slipped it's lead, broke free or whatever? Perhaps the farmer should take some better responsibility for fencing his field? Why should the farmer take responsibility for other's lack of responsibility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampster Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 I am trained to use firearms and yes, I would be able to shoot someone, even under duress. I might not find it easy to live with afterwards, but if it mean't protecting myself against someone raving idiot who wanted to cause me serious harm, then so be it. Well in your case I probably would end up in hospital, and you'd have some explaining to do.. that is unless you're police who pretty much get away with shooting anybody and anything. But the farmer I think not, I don't think they're all such steeley eyed killers.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampster Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Why should the farmer take responsibility for other's lack of responsibility? And not ensuring his field is properly fenced? is not a lack of responsibility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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