Evidence Bombs were planted beneath trains on 7/7

[dosxuk 10]

Rob - you seem to be holding onto several opposing ideas to support your story - could you clarify which you actually believe? Either:

1) The bombers were carrying homemade volitile explosives which would prevent them from running to catch the train

2) The bombers were carrying military grade explosives which proves they were part of a government plot

3) The bombs were on the tracks and there was nothing explosive in the backpacks

 

All three can not be true, yet you rely on 1) to explain why they couldn't catch a train, 2) to explain initial news reports / prove it was a conspiracy and 3) to explain why the bombs went off without the bombers being on the train.

[andygardener 10]

Rob - you seem to be holding onto several opposing ideas to support your story - could you clarify which you actually believe? Either:

1) The bombers were carrying homemade volitile explosives which would prevent them from running to catch the train

2) The bombers were carrying military grade explosives which proves they were part of a government plot

3) The bombs were on the tracks and there was nothing explosive in the backpacks

 

All three can not be true, yet you rely on 1) to explain why they couldn't catch a train, 2) to explain initial news reports / prove it was a conspiracy and 3) to explain why the bombs went off without the bombers being on the train.

 

Top post I'll be interested to see if the tinfoil hat brigade have an answer.

[Bassman62 10]

Top post I'll be interested to see if the tinfoil hat brigade have an answer.

The Butler did it.:hihi::hihi:

[Bassman62 10]

Rob - you seem to be holding onto several opposing ideas to support your story - could you clarify which you actually believe? Either:

1) The bombers were carrying homemade volitile explosives which would prevent them from running to catch the train

2) The bombers were carrying military grade explosives which proves they were part of a government plot

3) The bombs were on the tracks and there was nothing explosive in the backpacks

 

All three can not be true, yet you rely on 1) to explain why they couldn't catch a train, 2) to explain initial news reports / prove it was a conspiracy and 3) to explain why the bombs went off without the bombers being on the train.

Oh Dear I reckon its a Fatwah, Thinwah or even a Mediumwah

for you and a jihad as a bonus.

[RobFr 10]

Rob - you seem to be holding onto several opposing ideas to support your story - could you clarify which you actually believe? Either:

1) The bombers were carrying homemade volitile explosives which would prevent them from running to catch the train

2) The bombers were carrying military grade explosives which proves they were part of a government plot

3) The bombs were on the tracks and there was nothing explosive in the backpacks

 

All three can not be true, yet you rely on 1) to explain why they couldn't catch a train, 2) to explain initial news reports / prove it was a conspiracy and 3) to explain why the bombs went off without the bombers being on the train.

 

 

The Truth, which has been posted consistently and repeatedly is as follows:

 

1) the bombs that were ACTUALLY used in the 7/7 London bombings were MILITARY GRADE HIGH EXPLOSIVES, just as was ORIGINALLY reported in the mainstream media and confirmed by military experts. These MILITARY GRADE HIGH EXPLOSIVES were fastened UNDERNEATH the carriages of the tube trains as evidenced by the holes blown upward through the floors and the trains themselves being derailed.

 

2) There were no suicide bombers on 7/7, as they could not possibly have even been on the tube trains that exploded. Suicide bombers do not have access to MILITARY GRADE HIGH EXPLOSIVES, nor do they have access to the undercarriages of the tube trains nor do they have access to thousands of CCTV cameras to turn them off or edit the film. The 4 alleged 7/7 bombers were patsies that were most likely hired to be part of Peter Power and his firm Visor Consultant's mock terrorist drill.

 

 

 

The lies that are part of the official government story include:

 

1) that the 4 alleged 7/7 bombers were carrying very volatile and unstable TATP/TACP bombs in large rucksacks or backpacks, that they supposedly mixed up in their bathtubs.

 

2) that the 4 alleged 7/7 bombers caught the nonexistent 7:40A train from Luton station. The government stuck to this story for almost a year until it became untenable and then changed their story to them catching the 7:48A train, until they found out that wouldn't work because it got into Thameslink King Cross too late. They then looked at the two earlier trains and realized the 7:30A that did not leave until 7:42A also didn't get in to Thameslink King Cross in time because of the delays so they finally opted/revised their story to say that the 4 alleged 7/7 bombers must have caught the 7:24A train, because if they didn't catch that train, there was NO possibility that they arrived at Thameslink King Cross in time to catch all of the tube trains that they supposedly blew up.

 

The big problem with them changing their story AGAIN was that they had already fabricated the single frame time stamped (7:21:54A) photo-shopped photo outside of Luton station and there wasn't enough time for the 4 alleged bombers to have made it down to the platform even if they didn't have to stop to purchase tickets.

 

Made even more improbable if we are to believe the official cover-story that they were carrying heavy backpacks full of highly volatile and unstable explosives, during the busiest time of the day.

 

 

So you are indeed correct in pointing out the inconsistencies with the official government story, which is a pack of lies. Glad that you are finally seeing that the government is, and always has been, lying to us about what really did happen on 7/7/2005.

Edited December 27, 2010 by RobFr

[Longcol 610]

The big problem with them changing their story AGAIN was that they had already fabricated the single frame time stamped (7:21:54A) photo-shopped photo outside of Luton station and there wasn't enough time for the 4 alleged bombers to have made it down to the platform even if they didn't have to stop to purchase tickets.

 

 

There was ample time - less than 100 yards in 3 minutes for 4 young men.

[Halibut 12]

The Truth,

 

Why do you capitalise 'truth' like that?

[dosxuk 10]

There was ample time - less than 100 yards in 3 minutes for 4 young men.

 

Especially if there was nothing in their backpacks like Rob says.

[andygardener 10]

The Truth, which has been posted consistently and repeatedly is as follows:

 

1) the bombs that were ACTUALLY used in the 7/7 London bombings were MILITARY GRADE HIGH EXPLOSIVES, just as was ORIGINALLY reported in the mainstream media and confirmed by military experts. These MILITARY GRADE HIGH EXPLOSIVES were fastened UNDERNEATH the carriages of the tube trains as evidenced by the holes blown upward through the floors and the trains themselves being derailed.

 

2) There were no suicide bombers on 7/7, as they could not possibly have even been on the tube trains that exploded. Suicide bombers do not have access to MILITARY GRADE HIGH EXPLOSIVES, nor do they have access to the undercarriages of the tube trains nor do they have access to thousands of CCTV cameras to turn them off or edit the film. The 4 alleged 7/7 bombers were patsies that were most likely hired to be part of Peter Power and his firm Visor Consultant's mock terrorist drill.

 

 

 

The lies that are part of the official government story include:

 

1) that the 4 alleged 7/7 bombers were carrying very volatile and unstable TATP/TACP bombs in large rucksacks or backpacks, that they supposedly mixed up in their bathtubs.

 

2) that the 4 alleged 7/7 bombers caught the nonexistent 7:40A train from Luton station. The government stuck to this story for almost a year until it became untenable and then changed their story to them catching the 7:48A train, until they found out that wouldn't work because it got into Thameslink King Cross too late. They then looked at the two earlier trains and realized the 7:30A that did not leave until 7:42A also didn't get in to Thameslink King Cross in time because of the delays so they finally opted/revised their story to say that the 4 alleged 7/7 bombers must have caught the 7:24A train, because if they didn't catch that train, there was NO possibility that they arrived at Thameslink King Cross in time to catch all of the tube trains that they supposedly blew up.

 

The big problem with them changing their story AGAIN was that they had already fabricated the single frame time stamped (7:21:54A) photo-shopped photo outside of Luton station and there wasn't enough time for the 4 alleged bombers to have made it down to the platform even if they didn't have to stop to purchase tickets.

 

Made even more improbable if we are to believe the official cover-story that they were carrying heavy backpacks full of highly volatile and unstable explosives, during the busiest time of the day.

 

 

So you are indeed correct in pointing out the inconsistencies with the official government story, which is a pack of lies. Glad that you are finally seeing that the government is, and always has been, lying to us about what really did happen on 7/7/2005.

 

So what you're saying is that the govenrment having decided to murder a random bunch of it's citizens for some unknown reason planted bombs under three trains, and for some reason one on the top deck of a bus, paid a private firm to hire 4 muslims to come to london and unknowingly sit on the preplanted bombs but the plan hinged on the reliability of british trains and thus was doomed to fail so they engaged in a photoshopping campaign to try to keep the plan under wraps?

 

I suspect even the most evil demented NWO mastermind would draw the line at enacting a plot which entirely depended on a British train turning up on time.

[Longcol 610]

Why do you capitalise 'truth' like that?

 

I reckon he is a "true believer" in Hill the Messiah (and more than likely signatory #33 on this petition).

 

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/free-john-hill/

[RobFr 10]

There was ample time - less than 100 yards in 3 minutes for 4 young men.

 

 

Notes from http://www.nogw.com/download/2005_conclusions7-7.pdf

 

NOTES:

 

A. The Official Police Statements and Press Releases have all consistently and

clearly stated that the bombers got on THE 7.40 AM Train. The Police have

NEVER stated that they got on a train around 7.40 AM. They have never

stated that they got on an earlier Train.

 

B. Luton Station is covered with CCTV cameras including at least 4 at the

ticket office and the actual upstairs entrance.

 

C. All information supplied by Thameslink was cross checked with information

supplied by four 7/7 commuter witnesses interviewed. It was also cross

checked with the detailed information supplied by the lady interviewed by D.

Starbuck.

 

D. All delays were due to problems with the overhead lines in the Mill Hill

Area, which is after Luton but before Kings Cross. This was confirmed by

Thameslink and four 7/7 commuters.

 

E. A joint trial took 3 Minutes 35 Seconds to walk from the ground floor

entrance, up and over to the ticket office, and back down to the London

Platforms 1 & 3, without even including any time to purchase a ticket.

 

F. It is now clear why the 7/7 commuter interviewed by D Starbuck did not

mention the 7.30 AM train that left at 7.42 AM. The London trains normally go

from platforms 1 & 3. To a regular traveller, the train at platform 4 would

have appeared to be about to set off in the opposite direction - See Sources Of Information No. 3.

 

Special Note: A query has been raised by a web site in Australia and a web

site in the US, regarding the 7.24 AM train. It is more fully answered here:

It is ABSOLUTELY PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to do all this in THREE minutes

SOURCES OF INFORMATION:

 

1. Chris Hudson, Communications Manager, Thameslink - supplied Actual

Departure Times from Luton and Actual Arrival Times at Kings Cross from the

Thameslink database and in particular his E Mail dated 25th August, 2005.

[email protected]

 

2. Marie Bernes, Customer Relations, Thameslink - Tel: 0845 3306333 and in

particular the schedule of actual train times in her E Mail dated 16th August,

2005. [email protected],uk

 

 

 

In addition to the information provided above, we have the official time of 5 minutes that it took the 4 alleged 7/7 bombers/young men on the dummy run that was made on 28/6/2005, just 9 days prior to actual drill that Peter Power and Visor Consultants were running on 7/7/2005.

 

So we have confirmed times of 3 minutes 35 seconds by an independent group, and of 5 minutes by the 4 young men themselves 9 days prior. And these time do NOT include purchasing tickets. Nor does it account for the 4 carrying heavy backpacks purportedly full of highly unstable TATP/TCAP explosives that they supposedly made up in their bathtubs.

 

Further, despite the fact that Luton station is loaded with CCTV cameras, we have absolutely no footage of the 4 young men purchasing tickets, making their way to the platform, or boarding ANY of the trains that would get them to Thameslink King Cross by 8:26A on 7/7/2005. Absolutely nothing. Why?

 

BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT ON ANY OF THE TRAINS FROM LUTON THAT WOULD HAVE ARRIVED IN TIME AT THAMESLINK KING CROSS FOR THEM TO CATCH THE TUBES THAT BLEW UP.

 

You can be absolutely certain that IF the government had that footage it would have already been released because it would lend some credence to their official cover-story. Instead all we have is the one very badly photo-shopped single frame time stamped photo of the 4 supposedly making their way into Luton station too late to catch any of the trains that morning that would have gotten them there. All that proves is that the government is fabricating evidence, so NOTHING they say can be trusted, including any so-called "new evidence" that they might decide to fabricate and release at this point.

 

Whichever way you wish to try it, the official government story just doesn't work.

Edited December 29, 2010 by RobFr

[Longcol 610]

Notes from http://www.nogw.com/download/2005_conclusions7-7.pdf

 

 

Special Note: A query has been raised by a web site in Australia and a web

site in the US, regarding the 7.24 AM train. It is more fully answered here:

It is ABSOLUTELY PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to do all this in THREE minutes

SOURCES OF INFORMATION:

 

1. Chris Hudson, Communications Manager, Thameslink - supplied Actual

Departure Times from Luton and Actual Arrival Times at Kings Cross from the

Thameslink database and in particular his E Mail dated 25th August, 2005.

[email protected]

 

2. Marie Bernes, Customer Relations, Thameslink - Tel: 0845 3306333 and in

particular the schedule of actual train times in her E Mail dated 16th August,

2005. [email protected],uk

 

 

 

All they did was confirm the train times. You link to peoples e-mail addresses, not any evidence that it is impossible to get from the entrance of Luton Station to the platform in 3 minutes.

 

And using caps doesn't count as evidence either.