Evidence Bombs were planted beneath trains on 7/7

[Longcol 610]

I thought it was me that suggested they may have copied the panorama programme (if not just a coincidence,or an inside job)

 

Peter Power was on that programme too. maybe the bombers hired him as well eh ? (or just a coincidence)

 

I can assure you it was me Jay - after all it's you who are trying to prove the Ripple Effect is real - or as now appears to be the case out weird Hill and have the bombers hire Power (who one assumes would have simply turned them in).

[RobFr 10]

Arriving at Luton at 7:22 would easily allow people to catch a train leaving at 7:25 if they'd bought tickets in advance. Eminently possible - it's a pretty small station - I could get to any platform on Sheffield station (much bigger than Luton) from the entrance in less than 3 minutes carrying a backpack - used to do it regularly when I was younger and fitter!

 

 

 

Make it down to the platform in under 3 minutes carrying heavy backpacks full of EXTREMELY volatile "home-made" explosives?

 

 

To accept your ridiculous idea we would need to completely ignore the following:

 

 

1) there is no evidence they purchased the tickets in advance;

 

2) if they were planning on catching the 7:24A train from Luton it is HIGHLY unlikely that they would show up with less than 2 minutes to spare, especially considering we have been told they had been sitting out in the parking area for quite some time;

 

3) no matter how "fit" they may have been there is absolutely no way they could have ran or even walked rapidly...if we are to believe the official story that they were carrying EXTREMELY volatile "home-made" explosives made in their bathtubs; and

 

4) you can bet if they did catch the 7:24A that left Luton station at 7:25A there would be LOADS of CCTV camera footage of them catching the tube trains that they supposedly blew up.

 

 

Any way you want to try it, the official story just doesn't add up.

[Longcol 610]

Make it down to the platform in under 3 minutes carrying heavy backpacks full of EXTREMELY volatile "home-made" explosives?

 

 

To accept your ridiculous idea we would need to completely ignore the following:

 

 

1) there is no evidence they purchased the tickets in advance;

 

2) if they were planning on catching the 7:24A train from Luton it is HIGHLY unlikely that they would show up with less than 2 minutes to spare, especially considering we have been told they had been sitting out in the parking area for quite some time;

 

3) no matter how "fit" they may have been there is absolutely no way they could have ran or even walked rapidly...if we are to believe the official story that they were carrying EXTREMELY volatile "home-made" explosives made in their bathtubs; and

 

4) you can bet if they did catch the 7:24A that left Luton station at 7:25A there would be LOADS of CCTV camera footage of them catching the tube trains that they supposedly blew up.

 

 

Any way you want to try it, the official story just doesn't add up.

 

It is quite easy to purchase a ticket in advance and not give your name or identity - they may even have had time to use the ticket machines inside the station entrance.

 

Who said they were planning to catch any particular train (apart from Hill in Ripple Effect) - given the usual frequency of the trains from Luton highly likely they went for the first that turned up after they arrived.

 

Yes quite easily to cover all of 50 yards from the entrance to the train in under 3 minutes (who says the explosives were extremely volatile and wouldn't have needed a detonator to go off)? They appear to have been approaching the station at a normal walking pace without the bombs going off

 

It is far from "impossible" for them to have been on that train as claimed by "truthseekers".

 

Why would there have been loads of CCTV footage of them catching the tube trains - and if there was it would also show their victims - not something to put on public display.

 

The Ripple Effect doesn't add up (given instructions at a security firm near Luton station - no evidence, told to catch a certain train - no evidence).

[Longcol 610]

The available evidence suggests that the 4 alleged 7/7 bombers fled to Canary Wharf.

 

There is no available evidence for this beyond the assertion in the Ripple Effect - which is mainly fantasy based round a handful of facts.

[Longcol 610]

 

Rob: Understood. It is the infinitesimally small chance that the 4 alleged bombers could have chosen the exact same scenario at the exact same locations and times that makes the government story unbelievable.

 

 

Apart from Power using the same scenario as he used on Panorama the year before which could have easily been viewed by one or more of the bombers.

[RobFr 10]

Longcol: It is quite easy to purchase a ticket in advance and not give your name or identity - they may even have had time to use the ticket machines inside the station entrance.

 

Rob: More guesswork on your part.

 

Longcol: Who said they were planning to catch any particular train (apart from Hill in Ripple Effect) - given the usual frequency of the trains from Luton highly likely they went for the first that turned up after they arrived.

 

Rob: The government told us for a year that the 4 were there to catch and did catch the 7:40A train from Luton station...that is until it went public that there was no 7:40A train from Luton station that morning. You also don't seem to be taking into account that it would be extremely crowded in that small train station at that time of day making it even more unlikely that the 4 could have made their way through the crowd in under 3 minutes (thinking they had less than 2) with HIGHLY volatile "home-made explosives that they supposedly mixed up in their bathtubs.

 

 

Longcol: Yes quite easily to cover all of 50 yards from the entrance to the train in under 3 minutes (who says the explosives were extremely volatile and wouldn't have needed a detonator to go off)?

 

Rob: Acetone peroxide (triacetone triperoxide, peroxyacetone, TATP, TCAP) is an organic peroxide and a primary high explosive. It takes the form of a white crystalline powder with a distinctive acrid odor.

 

It is susceptible to heat, friction, and shock. The instability is greatly altered by impurities.

 

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetone_peroxide

 

Longcol: They appear to have been approaching the station at a normal walking pace without the bombs going off

 

Rob: They would have been walking very, very slowly if we are to believe the official story that they were carrying TATP/TCAP that they mixed up in their bathtubs. And the furthest of the alleged 7/7 bombers was nowhere near the door at 6 seconds before 7:22A.

 

Longcol: It is far from "impossible" for them to have been on that train as claimed by "truthseekers".

 

Rob: But for those that have no interest in the truth anything is possible, as long as it goes along with the official government cover-story.

 

Longcol: Why would there have been loads of CCTV footage of them catching the tube trains - and if there was it would also show their victims - not something to put on public display.

 

Rob: Given the fact that the government had to fabricate the one single frame time stamped photo we've been shown, they would have jumped at the opportunity to show us some more footage, especially of them getting on the actual tube trains that blew up, to strengthen their case.

 

Instead there is NO footage of them getting onto those tube trains and thus NO PROOF that they were even there coupled with the fact that they couldn't have made it from Luton station to Thameslink King Cross.

 

If it was really an issue of not wanting to show the victims, then they should provide the rest of the Luton station video clip instead of the single frame time stamped photo-shopped photo. They can't show the 4 alleged 7/7 bombers moving BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T THERE AND THE PHOTO IN QUESTION WAS OBVIOUSLY FABRICATED.

 

No matter which way you try it, the official story just doesn't add up.

Edited December 26, 2010 by RobFr

[Thunzi 10]

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[RobFr 10]

RobFR - If you wish to use the quote function please ensure you use it correctly. Let us know if you need any help with this. Thanks.

 

 

Thank-you for your kind offer GazE. I bounce between using the quote function and doing a question and answer format depending on which seems easiest at the time to use to respond.

 

If it is preferred, I could do the same thing with the quote function. Please advise if that would be better.

 

Peace be upon you,

Rob

[Thunzi 10]

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[RobFr 10]

There is no available evidence for this beyond the assertion in the Ripple Effect - which is mainly fantasy based round a handful of facts.

 

There is a very detailed and thoroughly research paper by Dr. Rory Ridley-Duff entitled "What Happened at Canary Wharf on 7th July 2005?" which has been previously quoted on this forum. You really should read it before jumping to conclusions about things you know nothing about.

[RobFr 10]

Apart from Power using the same scenario as he used on Panorama the year before which could have easily been viewed by one or more of the bombers.

 

 

The scenario that was portrayed on the BBC Panorama show "London under Attack" in May 2004 did have Peter Power on it and did involve 3 tube trains and an above ground vehicle. The 3 tube trains were at different locations than the ones that the actual bombs went off under and the above ground vehicle in the programme was a chlorine tanker truck instead of a double-decker bus.

 

On the 7th of July 2005, Peter Power and his firm Visor Consultants were conducting a mock terror exercise/drill, for an unnamed client, in the exact same locations where the real bombs went off. In other words, in the same tube trains and in the same double-decker bus.

 

At this point one has to wonder if you are simply incompetent or you are willfully trying to mislead people with your repeated disinformation.

 

So which is it Longcol?

 

Are you incompetent or are you willfully trying to spread disinformation?

Edited December 26, 2010 by RobFr

[Longcol 610]

There is a very detailed and thoroughly research paper by Dr. Rory Ridley-Duff entitled "What Happened at Canary Wharf on 7th July 2005?" which has been previously quoted on this forum. You really should read it before jumping to conclusions about things you know nothing about.

 

Yes, well aware of it - Ridley-Duff was given a good pasting on this forum.

 

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