JFKvsNixon   11 #673 Posted January 11, 2016 I'm pretty easygoing, but the thing that winds me up is when someone pulls into the space that you left between your car and the car in front. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
geared   319 #674 Posted January 11, 2016 Funnily enough, I'm rarely mad at them. It's the drivers who do not overtake them when free and clear to do so safely, and who do not leave a sufficient interval for others to do so at the time, that get my contempt.  I generally find the rage builds a little when you enter a 30 limit, and the old biddy roars off into the distance still doing the same 45mph they were doing through the 60 limit :rant:.  It 's the drivers who close ranks when you are trying to overtake who make it very difficult, that really get my goat. I'm not not sure what goes through their minds.  Not very much I'd wager, perhaps a light breeze blows through their empty skull just before they attempt to cause a crash? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Obelix   11 #675 Posted January 11, 2016 The thing that annoys me is people who assume they have the right to join a motorway. At whatever speed they choose.  I don't know what it is but in the last five to ten years it seems that people just pony up and expect the entire motorway to accommodate their joaining at 20mph less than everyone else. Or worse still, they want to join at the same speed, but ideally between two trucks. Why should everyone else have to accommodate them, when they can - or should but are incapable - look to see where the traffic is, and then match speeds to join behind lumps of traffic....  Had one fool today decide they were going to join at about 40mph, with a bigger fool a car length behind him. They were happy to just shove their way out into three lanes of heavy traffic doing 70 - queue much braking and swearing. If they had been spaced correctly, and managed to press the loud pedal a bit more no one would even remember the twerp in the large Merc. From the comments of one guy he's probably been followed to the office and been keyed multiple times now... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
RonJeremy   10 #676 Posted January 11, 2016 I generally find the rage builds a little when you enter a 30 limit, and the old biddy roars off into the distance still doing the same 45mph they were doing through the 60 limit :rant:.   Not very much I'd wager, perhaps a light breeze blows through their empty skull just before they attempt to cause a crash?  Are you trying to wind me up just before I go home? Those 45mph everywhere people really get me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
geared   319 #677 Posted January 11, 2016 Are you trying to wind me up just before I go home? Those 45mph everywhere people really get me.  Deep breaths.......count to ten....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
L00b   441 #678 Posted January 11, 2016 Not very much I'd wager, perhaps a light breeze blows through their empty skull just before they attempt to cause a crash?There is nothing that winds me up more than that manoeuvre. Nothing. It's the full-on claret-red rag to the L00b bull, with the associated knee jerk reaction: anyone ever pulls that stunt on me, then if I'm properly committed to the overtake, either they brake and fall back as I gradually but steadfastly squeeze them over (within the space where I normally would complete the manoeuvre, had they not accelerated), or they're getting shoved off: I ain't dropping anchor in the oncoming lane as I'm overtaking, and checking their 6 and continue checking my 12 to see if there's enough space to get back behind them, and running an assessment that the driver following them is aware that I need to get back behind <etc, etc.>  Soon as I perceive their accelerating during the overtake, I start pulling over. They can slow down or get taken out: their choice. I'd sooner rubbing paint/metal badly than a head-on.  There's a couple of (elderly) drivers who made that mistake with me once.  Once.  £10 to £0.01 they've never done it to anyone else since, that I can tell you. I wouldn't have paid for their wet-dry cleaning, either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
sgtkate   10 #679 Posted January 11, 2016 There is nothing that winds me up more than that manoeuvre. Nothing. It's the full-on claret-red rag to the L00b bull, with the associated knee jerk reaction: anyone ever pulls that stunt on me, then if I'm properly committed to the overtake, either they brake and fall back as I gradually but steadfastly squeeze them over (within the space where I normally would complete the manoeuvre, had they not accelerated), or they're getting shoved off: I ain't dropping anchor in the oncoming lane as I'm overtaking, and checking their 6 and continue checking my 12 to see if there's enough space to get back behind them, and running an assessment that the driver following them is aware that I need to get back behind <etc, etc.>  Soon as I perceive their accelerating during the overtake, I start pulling over. They can slow down or get taken out: their choice. I'd sooner rubbing paint/metal badly than a head-on.  There's a couple of (elderly) drivers who made that mistake with me once.  Once.  £10 to £0.01 they've never done it to anyone else since, that I can tell you. I wouldn't have paid for their wet-dry cleaning, either.  Ouch Loob. I know what you mean but I don't think I'd be prepared to effectively play chicken with another car no matter how wound up I was. I've jammed the breaks on before now to scare a tailgater and that's pretty effective, especially when accompanied by a polite wave and smile, but I'd always base that on how far behind they are, if they were absolutely on my tail I'd never risk it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Obelix   11 #680 Posted January 11, 2016 There is nothing that winds me up more than that manoeuvre. Nothing. It's the full-on claret-red rag to the L00b bull, with the associated knee jerk reaction: anyone ever pulls that stunt on me, then if I'm properly committed to the overtake, either they brake and fall back as I gradually but steadfastly squeeze them over (within the space where I normally would complete the manoeuvre, had they not accelerated), or they're getting shoved off: I ain't dropping anchor in the oncoming lane as I'm overtaking, and checking their 6 and continue checking my 12 to see if there's enough space to get back behind them, and running an assessment that the driver following them is aware that I need to get back behind <etc, etc.>  Soon as I perceive their accelerating during the overtake, I start pulling over. They can slow down or get taken out: their choice. I'd sooner rubbing paint/metal badly than a head-on.  There's a couple of (elderly) drivers who made that mistake with me once.  Once.  £10 to £0.01 they've never done it to anyone else since, that I can tell you. I wouldn't have paid for their wet-dry cleaning, either.  Someone tried squeezing me out like that once. He tried to get ahead of me in a zip merge when every other person had been happy to do the my lane one car, other lane one car, my lane one car etc...  He was so so frightened of getting his paintwork scuffed on a tatty landrover that he drove it into a building. Why he didn't stop is beyond me. I didn't even know he was there until the despairing honk....  ---------- Post added 11-01-2016 at 16:49 ----------  Ouch Loob. I know what you mean but I don't think I'd be prepared to effectively play chicken with another car no matter how wound up I was. I've jammed the breaks on before now to scare a tailgater and that's pretty effective, especially when accompanied by a polite wave and smile, but I'd always base that on how far behind they are, if they were absolutely on my tail I'd never risk it!  Push throttle down and jab brake. You don't lose any speed and it makes them back off... (top tip from SYP that) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
L00b   441 #681 Posted January 11, 2016 (edited) Ouch Loob. I know what you mean but I don't think I'd be prepared to effectively play chicken with another car no matter how wound up I was.It's not a question of "playing chicken", it's (subject to the specifics: relative speeds, viewing distance, time to complete manoeuvre, etc.) a question of survival. A head-on (oncoming car) or a rear shunt (by the following driver) will have far more dangerous an outcome than a side rub. That's vehicle dynamics as taught to me by professional army drivers (VIP/evasive passive-aggressive driving courses and such during my NS, years and years back). I've jammed the breaks on before now to scare a tailgater and that's pretty effective, especially when accompanied by a polite wave and smile, but I'd always base that on how far behind they are, if they were absolutely on my tail I'd never risk it!That's dangerous. What if they get distracted by a SMS or adjusting the heater or <whatever> at the very moment you're "jamming" the brakes on?  Think also (although technically, you don't have to; but...) about any following-on drivers and the butterfly effect (for a 1 second 'jab' of the brakes right at the front, the last in line may have to drop anchors and much more).  You're (if I may) better off gradually decelerating (just coast, then downshift if needed until they get the msg and back off), without using brakes.. Someone tried squeezing me out like that once. He tried to get ahead of me in a zip merge when every other person had been happy to do the my lane one car, other lane one car, my lane one car etc...Sounds like that wasn't a safe overtake to begin with, so not the sort of situation I was talking about. Edited January 11, 2016 by L00b Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
sgtkate   10 #682 Posted January 11, 2016 It's not a question of "playing chicken", it's (subject to the specifics: relative speeds, viewing distance, time to complete manoeuvre, etc.) a question of survival. A head-on (oncoming car) or a rear shunt (by the following driver) will have far more dangerous an outcome than a side rub.  Ok, it'll totally depend on the exact situation, but if you do whatever you think is the safest option then it probably is. That what your post implied, it implied that you choose to effectively pull over into another car because you were angry and didn't want to yield. Apologies if I've misread it.  That's dangerous. You're (if I may) better off gradually decelerating (just coast, then downshift if needed until they get the msg and back off), without using brakes.. Only some small irony you saying that's dangerous when you've just said you pull over into other cars when overtaking?!?!?! And it really isn't, a tiny tap on the brakes might decrease my speed fractionally (hence why I wouldn't do it if they were right on my ass), but boy oh boy does it scare the pants off the guy behind. If they don't get the message then the old slowing down with braking technique also works well. Even better if it's on a motorway and they then attempt to undertake, at which point I'll speed up again and stop them doing that as long as it's safe to do so. I'm not going to tailgate the guy in front to stop them! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Obelix   11 #683 Posted January 11, 2016 Sounds like that wasn't a safe overtake to begin with, so not the sort of situation I was talking about.  Oh I appreciate that, just that it goes to show that people will usually back off and hit a building (or in your situations take a real good close look at the verge) rather than hit another car.  If it came to physically pushing another car over to make room, rather than a head on I'd do exactly what you suggested without even thinking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
SnailyBoy   10 #684 Posted January 11, 2016 There is nothing that winds me up more than that manoeuvre. Nothing. It's the full-on claret-red rag to the L00b bull, with the associated knee jerk reaction: anyone ever pulls that stunt on me, then if I'm properly committed to the overtake, either they brake and fall back as I gradually but steadfastly squeeze them over (within the space where I normally would complete the manoeuvre, had they not accelerated), or they're getting shoved off: I ain't dropping anchor in the oncoming lane as I'm overtaking, and checking their 6 and continue checking my 12 to see if there's enough space to get back behind them, and running an assessment that the driver following them is aware that I need to get back behind <etc, etc.>  Soon as I perceive their accelerating during the overtake, I start pulling over. They can slow down or get taken out: their choice. I'd sooner rubbing paint/metal badly than a head-on.  There's a couple of (elderly) drivers who made that mistake with me once.  Once.  £10 to £0.01 they've never done it to anyone else since, that I can tell you. I wouldn't have paid for their wet-dry cleaning, either.  It would be interesting to hear their side of the story. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
