Berlin Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 How are we overcrowded, when the entire population of the Earth could fit comfortably on the Isle of Wight? I'm not sure that applies any more........I think you'd need a few more islands now, but your point stands. Anyway, I think some people are just looking for excuses to keep "foreigners" out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeaFan Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 nearest is the expression, not easiest to access and most likely to give you free money. The problem is people like you seem to want to encourage people to come here (and thus abuse our system). This is the reason that voters turn to the BNP. It is entirely your fault that normal decent people are resorting to voting for these people because they can see no other hope. When there was controlled and sensible levels, the NF didn't stand a chance, normal people would not vote for them or support them. Although the recent large scale immigration has undoubtedly boosted the BNP, you have given the wrong reason why they are doing better than the NF ever did. The NF was openly Nazi, by which I mean they did not hide the fact that they were politically descended from the Nazi party in Germany. Their main strategy wasn't even electoral - they organised at street level, using their weekly paper as a key organising tool (very similar to how revolutionary socialist organisations such as the SWP or Worker's Power do). Initially, the BNP organised in the same way, which is unsurprising since at the outset nearly its entire membership came straight from the NF, including founder and leader John Tyndall who had spent a lifetime organising fascist groups along similar lines (as well as paramilitary ones). Hence its first elected councillor, Derek Beackon in Milwall, was happy to be photographed giving the Nazi salute, and give openly racist and fascist opinions. It was Griffin who changed the strategy to an electoral one after Jorg Haider's Freedom Party polled well in Austria ("a straw in the wind for us", Griffin called it) and he of course realised that if your strategy is electoral you won't get many votes if you are openly Nazi, at least not in this country. So today's fascists are very tight-lipped, and play the PR game, and it is working reasonably well for them. People who dig around a bit will find that lots of key figures in the BNP have been active in openly Nazi organisations for years, and will ask themselves whether it can really be true that they are now all in the same far right party but have all coincidentally stopped being fascists somewhere along the way. But as we know, lots of people can't be bothered to dig around a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremyjh1 Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 The BNP message of racism is old hat. I received a mail recently where I was informed that it has been calculated that with present birth patterns in the western world, Islam will take over as the dominant faith within 4 generations. This trend is irreversible as it has progressed too far already so any steps taken by the BNP or any other such minded party will be of no use the horse has bolted too late to bolt the stable door. the worrying thing is that if they think they know a bit about racist policies just wait until Islam takes over and you will find the true meaning of Racial and Rleigious DISCRIMINATION, shortly before you die under Sharia Law for daring to be different and free! I despair for the world my grand kids and their kids will have to live in!!!! When a political manifesto uses the adjective 'White British' I think the racism message is pretty loud and clear. Are you a White British person? What does the BNP set as it's criteria to determine someone as British? Born here? Born of parents born here? Born of grandparents born here? No 'foreign' blood anywhere in their family tree? Oh, but most important, they must be 'white'. And that's not being racist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassman62 Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 No, your geogaphy is extremely poor.... You may be able to access quite a few, but only if you remembered to pack your parachute.... That is absolute bull and you know it, that must be the weakest garbage answer ever. According to you all asylum seekers and refugees first buy an airline ticket and as the only destination that the planes fly to is the UK they come here; what a load of twaddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR BENN Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 That is absolute bull and you know it, that must be the weakest garbage answer ever. According to you all asylum seekers and refugees first buy an airline ticket and as the only destination that the planes fly to is the UK they come here; what a load of twaddle. this is a point ive made many times on various threads . why is it that asylum seekers travel through many safe countrys ,where they would be safe from harm and violence to get to Britain ? surely the first safe haven they arrived in would serve the purpose ? why ignore all of these countrys and head for Britain ? anything to do with the fact that we are known as a soft touch ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassman62 Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 nearest is the expression, not easiest to access and most likely to give you free money. The problem is people like you seem to want to encourage people to come here (and thus abuse our system). This is the reason that voters turn to the BNP. It is entirely your fault that normal decent people are resorting to voting for these people because they can see no other hope. When there was controlled and sensible levels, the NF didn't stand a chance, normal people would not vote for them or support them.I agree. If the leading politicians admit that they're not addressing the fears of normal people why are there so many deniers on this forum with their heads still buried in the sand? Or are these deniers typical of the facist rabble who were demonstrating against a democraticly elected BNP MEP in London today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassman62 Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 (edited) this is a point ive made many times on various threads . why is it that asylum seekers travel through many safe countrys ,where they would be safe from harm and violence to get to Britain ? surely the first safe haven they arrived in would serve the purpose ? why ignore all of these countrys and head for Britain ? anything to do with the fact that we are known as a soft touch ? As you say Plain Talker comes up with the same silly reply everytime, I can't afford an air ticket to Somalia, but the poor Somalis, Afghans, Uncle Com Tobbly and all refugee/asylum seekers are wealthy enough Edited June 9, 2009 by Bassman62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremyjh1 Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 (edited) I have looked at the BNP website, and I can't find on it where they say they will deport all black people, could some one please point me in the right direction? They use the description 'White British'. Apart from the fools who follow and support the BNP, it's pretty clear who they consider 'British' and it's certainly not someone with dark skin. Under the heading 'Immigration': (BNP manifesto) http://bnp.org.uk<broke link>/policies/ 'schemes that have made white Britons' Elsewhere, on their web site, the make regular reference to 'white males', 'white British natives'. And so on. They are NOT racist, but they refer to skin colour a bit too much to deny such a label. Edited June 10, 2009 by happyhippy clickable links to any political prties are not allowed on SF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rad Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 People here have mixed views on immigration, although most of us recognise there are different types of immigration and different pros and cons of each type, different elements of policy that work better than other elements etc. However, many of the people who have claimed to vote BNP (not you Bassman, I know you didn't vote for them) have said it's because of immigration and yet several people have questioned why the BNP over UKIP or any other party with a strong stance on immigration, and those people haven't really answered... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremyjh1 Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 sigh here we go again witht he same old bull ALL IMMIGRANTS SPONGE? all of em from time imorium? what about the taxi drivers, drs, corner shopkeepers, dentists, pizza shop workers etc etc suppose theyre all sponging? Nah, they're just over 'ere nicking our jobs 'n' forcing 2 million honest, hard working white British natives to have to sponge off the state. Bloomin' criminal if yer ask me, guv. Send 'em all back to the jungle. (Parody - not meant seriously; at least not in the way you might think!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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