COVID THREAD

[Axel 22]

15 minutes ago, Longcol said:

Mike Yeadon predicted Covid would fizzle out in the UK in October 2020. 100,000 deaths since then - knows his stuff alright................

 

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/health-coronavirus-vaccines-skeptic/

Have you read Professor Geert Vanden Bossche and the dangers of mass vaccination ?

Edited December 27, 2021 by Axel

[Chekhov 488]

3 hours ago, sibon said:

You are a very binary person, aren't you.

 

Maybe you should allow a bit of fuzziness into your thinking.

 

It is possible to be prudent, but not afraid, you know. And there are still plenty of reasons for prudence. 

No (assuming you are either vaccinated or a healthy under 40 year old), there really are not. Particularly now we have Omicron, between 2X and 5X less deadly.

[Longcol 610]

8 hours ago, makapaka said:

 

Cautiously optimistic that we may be at the beginning of the end.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/26/omicron-bleak-new-year-or-beginning-of-the-end-for-the-pandemic

 

 

[Chekhov 488]

1 hour ago, Becky B said:

I'm not frightened of Covid (I'm sitting here with it - currently it's like a bad cold without the snot).

I'm also starting to think current thinking is an overreaction: if most of the population (most importantly the vulnerable) are fully vaccinated, and boosted, and we now have effective treatments for it, why are we treating Covid any differently to 'flu?

I'm speaking as someone who worked on a Covid ward this time last year, when I was absolutely of the opinion that measures were justified.  Also speaking as someone who thinks that the attitude that because someone has a particular number to their age, and are considered 'elderly', that they are expendable - what bobbins!

Who said they were expendable ?

I certainly didn't.

What I said is that someone in their 80s dying was nowhere near as sad as a child dying, not in the same stratosphere, or even someone in their middle age dying.

And you show me someone in their 80s who thinks it is as sad, and I'll show you someone with a personality disorder.

 

21 minutes ago, Longcol said:

Cautiously optimistic that we may be at the beginning of the end.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/26/omicron-bleak-new-year-or-beginning-of-the-end-for-the-pandemic

Bleedin' hell, once the Guardian (the most pessimistic scaremongering media source on the planet) start saying it might be the end it is almost certainly the end.

REJOICE.

(Bit slow off the mark though, some of us were saying that three weeks ago....)

Edited December 27, 2021 by Chekhov

[Longcol 610]

3 minutes ago, Axel said:

Have you read Professor Geert Vanden Bossche and the dangers of over vaccination ?

No need to panic.

 

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking-pseudoscience/doomsday-prophecy-dr-geert-vanden-bossche

 

Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche is a veterinarian who recently released an open letter boldly claiming that the COVID-19 vaccines will be harmful to humanity by allowing the virus to mutate in dangerous ways

 

If we are worried about dangerous variants emerging, it is much riskier to allow the virus to spread between unvaccinated people

 

If coronavirus variants emerge for which the current vaccines offer little to no protection, the vaccines can be reformulated to be a better fit, much like the annual flu vaccine

 

Dr. Bossche proposes the use of a new type of vaccine based on natural killer cells, which he claims he is working on but for which there is no published evidence

 

 

7 minutes ago, Chekhov said:

 

 

Bleedin' hell, once the Guardian (the most pessimistic scaremongering media source on the planet) start saying it might be the end it is almost certainly the end.

REJOICE.

(Bit slow off the mark though, some of us were saying that three weeks ago....)

It isn't the Grauniad saying it - they're just reporting what experts say. They tend to choose their experts somewhat better than most posters on this thread ...................see above.

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18 minutes ago, Chekhov said:

So you wear a mask if you want to (though I would really rather you did not, I hate seeing people in them, it is not good for my mental health).

But that is a big step from those of us who do not want to wear a mask being forced to wear one.

Particularly as they do close to sod all :

 

England : No mask mandate since July (to 30th Nov), no vaccine passport (to 10th Dec)
Scotland : Mask mandate still in force from last year, vaccine passport since 1st Oct (enforced since 18th Oct)
Wales : Mask mandate still in force from last year, vaccine passport since 11th Oct

 

Patients in hospital with a positive Covid test per million popn (on 3rd Dec 21, the last date for which the change in England's mandate can have had any effect)

England : 103.7
Scotland : 118.5
Wales : 141.3

 

Deaths from any cause within 28 days of a positive Covid test
Last date for which full data is available is 26 Nov for Eng and Scot, and 25 Nov for Wales.
Number of deaths 7 day average / per million popn =

England = 95.4 / 1.69
Scotland = 10.6 / 1.93
Wales = 5.7 / 1.78

Apologies that masks upset you but like vaccinations, it is my choice to wear a mask.  

 

I have no sway as to whether someone gets vaccinated or not despite my feelings. I'm afraid the same is for anyone that doesn't like masks.

[Chekhov 488]

11 minutes ago, Longcol said:

It isn't the Grauniad saying it - they're just reporting what experts say. They tend to choose their experts somewhat better than most posters on this thread ...................see above.

NO they really do not. They are totally biased. They only choose "experts" who come out with negative pessimistic scaremongering. And pretty much all the way through this that group of "experts" have been wrong time after time. So, the fact even The Guardian cannot find experts to come out with such guff is very positive.

 

Scaremongering "experts" :

 

Mid March 2020 ; We could have half a million Covid deaths
19 March 2020 : 12 weeks to flatten the curve.

Late March : This virus is indiscriminate
2 April 2020 : 100,000 COVID-19 tests a day by the end of April.
20 April 2020 : secured 400,000 gowns from Turkey (the famous planeload).
November 2020 : Modeling suggests 4,000 deaths per day worst case scenario.
16 December 2020 : Boris Johnson says Christmas is safe.
19 December 2020 : Boris Johnson announces Christmas is cancelled.
Spring 2021 : Get double vaccinated to get out of Covid and back to normal.
July 2021 : Freedom day is irresponsible, we could have 200K cases per day by August.
Autumn 2021 : Get a booster to save Christmas.
8 December 2021 : Face coverings legally required in most indoor spaces (again).
15 Dec 21 : Omicron likely to be the biggest threat of Covid pandemic so far.

Edited December 27, 2021 by Chekhov

[Axel 22]

He has many talents,

 

"International vaccine expert, Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche has a long history of developing vaccines for many years. He has been working with GAVI, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, creating vaccines for global heath. He has worked with several companies developing prophylactic vaccines. He was previously the head of the Vaccine Development Office in Germany, and has been the Chief Scientific Officer at Univac. His main focus of work has been in the design of vaccines with the design to educate the immune system."

 

Somehow or other I don't think he would have been appointed in the above positions, if he was just a 'veterinarian ' his argument is that innate immunity can eliminate the virus, it's important because it contributes to herd immunity, this means that by vaccinating large parts of the population you take away the opportunity for the population to develop herd immunity.........His words not mine, ... I like to consider every point of view.  

 

[The_DADDY 3,480]

39 minutes ago, Axel said:

I agree, Dr. Mike Yeadon, he has called for this to stop right from the get go, he knows his stuff and is not a government paid stooge, or holds shares in big pharma.

Yeah He's a brave man who will go down in history as one of the few people trying to tell it like it really is. 

 

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10 minutes ago, Longcol said:

Dr. Bossche proposes the use of a new type of vaccine based on natural killer cells, which he claims he is working on but for which there is no published evidence

So, he's not against vaccines, he'd just prefer people to use the one he hopes to make money out of[1].

Be interesting to see if the "it's all a big pharma plot" crowd start acclaiming him.

 

 

[1] That sounds vaguely familiar.

[Axel 22]

 

I suppose the best way of seeking out the truth is to look at the ...funding....as far as I can see he has nothing to gain and everything to lose by speaking out.  Try looking into other msm organisations, I think you will see a different story...

[hackey lad 3,992]

14 minutes ago, The_DADDY said:

Yeah He's a brave man who will go down in history as one of the few people trying to tell it like it really is. 

 

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