Shipping Containers Coming To Fargate

[Mr Bloke 1,445]

4 minutes ago, HeHasRisen said:

I hope they would serve classier stuff than that. I will certainly be visiting the Get Wurst shop, their German food is wonderful, can highly recommend.

Hmmm...

Which raises another interesting question, Mr Risen.

How many 'classier' traders are going to be attracted to selling their goods from a shipping container?

[HeHasRisen 3,412]

Just now, Mr Bloke said:

Hmmm...

Which raises another interesting question, Mr Risen.

How many 'classier' traders are going to be attracted to selling their goods from a shipping container?

I suspect the rent will be the sweetner. Like I said, how many small independents are going to be able to afford over £40k per annum, plus the business rates on top, for the old Thomas Cook shop (as an example).

 

Someone has already mentioned similar sites elsewhere. Go and look at the Boxpark website. 

[Mr Bloke 1,445]

7 minutes ago, HeHasRisen said:

I suspect the rent will be the sweetner. Like I said, how many small independents are going to be able to afford over £40k per annum, plus the business rates on top, for the old Thomas Cook shop (as an example).

 

Someone has already mentioned similar sites elsewhere. Go and look at the Boxpark website. 

Hmmm...

But wouldn't it be far better for SCC to subsidise rents for businesses to use existing Fargate shops?

They're spending £446,000 on a load of shipping containers...

... whereas they could be fully subsidising the rents for 10 businesses (using your rental figure) to use existing premises for a whole year!

[HeHasRisen 3,412]

I would guess the money cant be used for that purpose. 

 

And in your idea what happens after one year? A load of businesses go from their rent being free to a load, plus you havent factored in the business rate, if the ratable value is £42k then the business rates are around half of that at £21k. Per year. Not cheap, is it?

Edited June 3, 2022 by HeHasRisen

[Mr Bloke 1,445]

14 minutes ago, HeHasRisen said:

I would guess the money cant be used for that purpose. 

 

And in your idea what happens after one year? A load of businesses go from their rent being free to a load, plus you havent factored in the business rate, if the ratable value is £42k then the business rates are around half of that at £21k. Per year. Not cheap, is it?

Hmmm...

You'll have gone part way to regenerating the mess that is now Fargate!

But I suspect what is more likely, is that SCC have an ulterior motive and ultimately don't want businesses in Fargate.

If traders are attracted to cut-price premises, then obviously few businesses are going to take up leases in existing shops.

So eventually, all these shops will be sold off to developers to create 'inner city dwellings'.

SCC will then have total control of where retailers are able to set up business, and will be able to remove these temporary shipping containers whenever they see fit or relocate them to wherever they like.

[HeHasRisen 3,412]

The type of businesses these containers are going to attract are never going to be the ones attracted to the empty units anyway, for reasons already given. Otherwise they would already be in them.

 

Just give it a chance, if it bombs it bombs, at least they tried. Fargate is secondary to The Moor now anyway imo, so maybe time to try something different like this.

Edited June 3, 2022 by HeHasRisen

[Rockers rule 673]

Looks bloody good to me  .

( Ok I know they ain't aren't shipping containers)

 

[hackey lad 3,995]

1 hour ago, HeHasRisen said:

The type of businesses these containers are going to attract are never going to be the ones attracted to the empty units anyway, for reasons already given. Otherwise they would already be in them.

 

Just give it a chance, if it bombs it bombs, at least they tried. Fargate is secondary to The Moor now anyway imo, so maybe time to try something different like this.

“At least they tried “  laughable 

[Sheff.Expat 1]

As far as I know the plan is for the setup to movable, so once it's spent some time at this location it'll move on. Not sure where, maybe Devonshire Green? Who knows. Anyway, I'm kinda split on the idea. There is a similar but larger development in Seoul Called 'Common Ground' which has around three floors and loads of blue containers. It works fairly well because its right next to a major subway station, in an area with loads of students and often hosts events within its central courtyard. As for this thing on Fargate, it could help generate greater footfall in the area but tbh...it's pretty small. I'm more interested in the Events Central they're building at 20-26 Fargate. That'll have a better impact on Fargate. 

[ECCOnoob 1,053]

23 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

“At least they tried “  laughable 

What's your grand  plan then?    Pretty obvious that the council can't force tenants into buildings they don't own. It's obvious the council can't force building owners to lower rent or order they give freebies. The council can't force a change of use or ownership of a privately owned premises overnight without lengthy legal and public consultation process.

 

The business of traditional bricks and mortar retail is in decline globally. It is not only affecting discount big box stores but even the premium end ones. Branches are closing left right and centre with many companies not surviving the obvious devastation caused by the pandemic.

 

Us consumers are fickle beings, with our tastes, trends and fashions turning on a dime. 

 

To those who actually bother to walk around with their eyes open  instead of sitting at home moaning about what they think and presume  from behind a computer,  it is clear there is a increase in popularity of small, independent, locally made or vintage, higher quality, quirky traders operating out of more unusual types of premises. Big buzzwords in reclaiming, reusing, and recycling former buildings for an alternative purpose to keep longevity.  Massive increases in social conscience and concerns about where things are manufactured or how or the waste.  Massive increases in the numbers of people living closer to city centres again, more socialising, entirely different work patterns due to the shifts to hybrid or remote working arrangements.

 

Similar types of schemes have had success elsewhere and are great facilities to allow for small Independent Traders to get their business to the masses without the exorbitant costs of prime real estate. Such schemes are extremely popular around the world has been shown in other major cities. New York, Manchester, Bristol and London being a few off the top of my head.  We even have a earlier adopter in our city anyway, with Krykl still keeping going down at Shalesmoor.  

 

Some people really need to grow up and realise that the days of Cockaynes, Walsh's, Pauldens and Ole In't Road are long gone.   The purpose of the city centre has completely evolved, there is far more residential community and social aspects which go far beyond just shopping.

 

The council are trying to bring something which is going to to bring football back to Fargate and keep it alive beyond 5p.m. as this new unit is going to be open well after the 'traditional' shop closing time. Something I certainly welcome.

 

Honestly, its like people want it to fail so they can keep wallowing in their misery and slagging off the council.  Jesus I'm not exactly their cheerleader of many of their decisions but this is certainly not one for criticism.

Edited June 3, 2022 by ECCOnoob

[Mr Bloke 1,445]

19 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

What's your grand  plan then?    Pretty obvious that the council can't force tenants into buildings they don't own. It's obvious the council can't force building owners to lower rent or order they give freebies. The council can't force a change of use or ownership of a privately owned premises overnight without lengthy legal and public consultation process.

 

The business of traditional bricks and mortar retail is in decline globally. It is not only affecting discount big box stores but even the premium end ones. Branches are closing left right and centre with many companies not surviving the obvious devastation caused by the pandemic.

 

Us consumers are fickle beings, with our tastes, trends and fashions turning on a dime. 

 

To those who actually bother to walk around with their eyes open  instead of sitting at home moaning about what they think and presume  from behind a computer,  it is clear there is a increase in popularity of small, independent, locally made or vintage, higher quality, quirky traders operating out of more unusual types of premises. Big buzzwords in reclaiming, reusing, and recycling former buildings for an alternative purpose to keep longevity.  Massive increases in social conscience and concerns about where things are manufactured or how or the waste.  Massive increases in the numbers of people living closer to city centres again, more socialising, entirely different work patterns due to the shifts to hybrid or remote working arrangements.

 

Similar types of schemes have had success elsewhere and are great facilities to allow for small Independent Traders to get their business to the masses without the exorbitant costs of prime real estate. Such schemes are extremely popular around the world has been shown in other major cities. New York, Manchester, Bristol and London being a few off the top of my head.  We even have a earlier adopter in our city anyway, with Krykl still keeping going down at Shalesmoor.  

 

Some people really need to grow up and realise that the days of Cockaynes, Walsh's, Pauldens and Ole In't Road are long gone.   The purpose of the city centre has completely evolved, there is far more residential community and social aspects which go far beyond just shopping.

 

The council are trying to bring something which is going to to bring football back to Fargate and keep it alive beyond 5p.m. as this new unit is going to be open well after the 'traditional' shop closing time. Something I certainly welcome.

 

Honestly, its like people want it to fail so they can keep wallowing in their misery and slagging off the council.  Jesus I'm not exactly their cheerleader of many of their decisions but this is certainly not one for criticism.

Hmmm...

 

That's probably one of their smarter ideas!

 

[HeHasRisen 3,412]

22 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

What's your grand  plan then?    Pretty obvious that the council can't force tenants into buildings they don't own. It's obvious the council can't force building owners to lower rent or order they give freebies. The council can't force a change of use or ownership of a privately owned premises overnight without lengthy legal and public consultation process.

 

The business of traditional bricks and mortar retail is in decline globally. It is not only affecting discount big box stores but even the premium end ones. Branches are closing left right and centre with many companies not surviving the obvious devastation caused by the pandemic.

 

Us consumers are fickle beings, with our tastes, trends and fashions turning on a dime. 

 

To those who actually bother to walk around with their eyes open  instead of sitting at home moaning about what they think and presume  from behind a computer,  it is clear there is a increase in popularity of small, independent, locally made or vintage, higher quality, quirky traders operating out of more unusual types of premises. Big buzzwords in reclaiming, reusing, and recycling former buildings for an alternative purpose to keep longevity.  Massive increases in social conscience and concerns about where things are manufactured or how or the waste.  Massive increases in the numbers of people living closer to city centres again, more socialising, entirely different work patterns due to the shifts to hybrid or remote working arrangements.

 

Similar types of schemes have had success elsewhere and are great facilities to allow for small Independent Traders to get their business to the masses without the exorbitant costs of prime real estate. Such schemes are extremely popular around the world has been shown in other major cities. New York, Manchester, Bristol and London being a few off the top of my head.  We even have a earlier adopter in our city anyway, with Krykl still keeping going down at Shalesmoor.  

 

Some people really need to grow up and realise that the days of Cockaynes, Walsh's, Pauldens and Ole In't Road are long gone.   The purpose of the city centre has completely evolved, there is far more residential community and social aspects which go far beyond just shopping.

 

The council are trying to bring something which is going to to bring football back to Fargate and keep it alive beyond 5p.m. as this new unit is going to be open well after the 'traditional' shop closing time. Something I certainly welcome.

 

Honestly, its like people want it to fail so they can keep wallowing in their misery and slagging off the council.  Jesus I'm not exactly their cheerleader of many of their decisions but this is certainly not one for criticism.

But but but Cole Brothers!

 

Suspect you meant "footfall" btw.

Edited June 3, 2022 by HeHasRisen