The Conservative Party - Part Two.

[hackey lad 3,986]

1 hour ago, peak4 said:

Broadly speaking, I'd normally largely agree with you, but a couple of time recently I do think he's been correct, though it's been more on constitutional issues than party politics.
1) That Hoyle was right to allow all the amendments, and that by implication, many politicians behaved shamefully.
2) That the recent appeal court decision on Begum was correct, but that Javid should never have removed her citizenship in the first place.

If some people could see past this posh boy thing , they would realise Mogg is a very clever and decent man . 

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10 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

If some people could see past this posh boy thing , they would realise Mogg is a very clever and decent man . 

I'm not saying he isn't but I can't get past his huntin' shootin' image,  I thought he had a nice Tory image before that.

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2 hours ago, Delbow said:

52% of Conservative Party members believe that many European cities are under Sharia law and are no-go zones for non-Muslims. Would it perhaps be kindest to gently put them to sleep?

no they don't !!! stop posting idiotic twaddle 

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2 minutes ago, ab6262 said:

no they don't !!! stop posting idiotic twaddle 

https://hopenothate.org.uk/2024/02/28/press-release-polling-conservative-party-members-2024/

[peak4 282]

Note that the survey was of Conservative Party Members, not Tory voters; There may be a significant difference.
The latter will have been included in UK Voters totals
Combine the HnH survey with this excellent thread by Dr Russ Jackson
All helpfully rolled up on Threadreader Here, for those without a Twitter account

Intro to thread;

Over the last week, Suella Braverman, Robert Jenrick & Lee Anderson have all mobilised vile anti-Muslim hatred rhetoric.

This thread is focused on the @Conservatives' refusal to accept the definition of #Islamophobia offered by the APPG on British Muslims back in 2017.

 

 

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It genuinely worries me that some, within our current government, and other far right extremists, seek to instigate racial and religious riots as a means of holding on to power.

 

Another interesting article out from Peter Oborne; himself a long standing Tory for many years, though fair to say not this bunch.

These ruthless, bigoted Tories would have Enoch Powell smiling from his grave  A few excerpts from the piece follow, for those without the time or inclination to read the linked article.

The recent spate of vile anti-Muslim rhetoric from the Tories shows they have decided that stoking hatred against minorities is their only way to avoid electoral annihilation

 

There has always been a racist element in Britain, as in most societies. Powell’s speech went down well with his Conservative audience and it electrified the far right, to whom he remains a hero.

But it horrified mainstream opinion. The Times, then edited by William Rees-Mogg, whose son Jacob became a cabinet minister in the Boris Johnson government, called it "an evil speech", adding:

"This is the first time that a serious British politician has appealed to racial hatred in this direct way in our postwar history."

Labour Prime Minister Harold Wilson told that year’s Labour conference that "the struggle against racialism is a worldwide fight. It is the dignity of man for which we are fighting”. 

Heath, like almost all serious politicians at the time, understood the grave dangers of Powell’s putrid and inflammatory oratory.

For many decades most people, myself included, took it for granted that the removal of Powell marked the moment when racism ceased to be acceptable within the Conservative Party.

I am afraid that we have to accept that we were wrong. Racism is back, big time and centre stage, in Rishi Sunak's Tory party.

Serious politicians have always understood the dangers of populism.

They know there are always votes to be won by stirring up sectarian resentment and hatred, and that it is much easier to win elections by stoking up division. 

But they also know the dangers. You only need to look around the world today to understand that this is the case.

Narendra Modi in India, Donald Trump in the United States, Benjamin Netanyahu in Israel, Giorgia Meloni in Italy and Viktor Orban in Hungary are all examples.

They win power, but at a terrible cost to social cohesion.

 

This strategy became apparent when, in an episode mysteriously under-reported in the British press, the British prime minister flew to Italy on 13 December to speak at a political event hosted by Italian premier Meloni’s far-right Brothers of Italy.

Previous speakers at this event included Trump’s former adviser Steve Bannon and well as Orban.

Sunak warned that immigration would “overwhelm” Europe.

He was talking something close to the language of Powell.

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Since I highlighted both William & Jacob in the previous post, This Grauniad article is worth a read.

How to explain Jacob Rees-Mogg? Start with his father's books

 

Campbells initial review and the story behind how he was given a copy, is here; I'm not AC's greatest fan, but this is about W R-M's book(s), not the reviewer.
The most important book you have never heard of, may explain Rees-Mogg love of hard Brexit

 

See also his New European piece; whether you agree with Campbell or not, the article makes an interesting read.
Resist Jacob Rees-Mogg’s vision of a brave new world

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All interesting stuff peak4. Really notable that the first British Prime Minister of Asian heritage is presiding over the Tory party's most overly racist period in decades.

[hackey lad 3,986]

3 hours ago, Delbow said:

https://hopenothate.org.uk/2024/02/28/press-release-polling-conservative-party-members-2024/

So is it a poll of 521 party members or 25000  ?

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13 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

So is it a poll of 521 party members or 25000  ?

Arguing that they didn't ask every party member rather than a representative sample of them demonstrates you either don't understand statistics or you don't have anything to disprove their claims.

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It is a shame Rishi Sunak is not brave enough to spell out who he is referring to by mob rule.  Hopefully the hint is enough to shame the police to crack down on the Muslim perpetrators.

 

UK descending into mob rule, PM warns police

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68429902

 

[hackey lad 3,986]

6 minutes ago, altus said:

Arguing that they didn't ask every party member rather than a representative sample of them demonstrates you either don't understand statistics or you don't have anything to disprove their claims.

Apologies I misread it .