Dairy farmers dirty little secret

[retep 68]

28 countries?

 

So they give us some of our money back and you doff your cap.

[The Joker 10]

So they give us some of our money back and you doff your cap.

 

You’d rather doff your cap to the Tories then ?

[melthebell 864]

So they give us some of our money back and you doff your cap.

As i said before its better to doff your cap than rip it off and set it on fire in a fit of self righteous fury, as its your cap and burning it wont hurt anybody else

[truman 10]

So they give us some of our money back and you doff your cap.

 

South Yorkshire has received £1billion since the 1990's...genuine question..do you think that would have happened had we not been in the EU?

[retep 68]

South Yorkshire has received £1billion since the 1990's...genuine question..do you think that would have happened had we not been in the EU?

 

Why not, can you give a reason?

[truman 10]

Why not, can you give a reason?

 

You reckon the Tories would have spent that on something north of the M25? Really?

[Naive 10]

Perhaps when we stop subsidising EU farmers we can subsidise our own.

 

No amount of subsidy can make a cow give milk without giving birth.

 

Even M. Barnier isn’t that powerful.

[chalga 10]

http://sustainablefoodtrust.org/articles/male-dairy-calves-life-worth-living/

 

 

 

Raising male calves as veal is one obvious answer but for so long veal has been thought of as a cruel, inhumane meat, as calves were reared in crates unable to turn around or even lie down; while ‘crating’ calves has now been outlawed in the EU, its legacy is still associated with current production. In the UK, veal was a meat eaten by continentals, and while Brits continued to drink milk, veal was not a choice meat. Unfortunately, this damaged the market for veal, and the practice of killing male calves or transporting them to Europe for veal production – where space requirements are 60% of the UK legal minimum, straw bedding isn’t always provided and their diets aren’t designed to encourage proper development of their digestive and immune systems – still continues.

 

Thankfully things are changing and the number of calves shot at birth is falling, though it still takes place in both conventional and organic systems – rough estimates in 2012 put the figure at around 55,000, and the number of calves exported is minimal. This decline, in part, is due to the rise in popularity of British rose veal which is miles apart from traditional ‘white’ veal.

 

Since veal crates were outlawed in 1990 in the UK (and 2007 in Europe), the conditions that calves are reared in have continued to improve. UK law states minimum requirements for bedding and space as the calves grow, and their diet is a mix of milk, grass and cereals which supports the development of their digestive systems, which gives rose veal its distinctive pink colour. Considering that veal calves live for between 6–9 months, which is similar to pigs (6–8 months) and lambs (5–6 months), the stigma that veal once carried is slowly beginning to dissipate.

 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/foodanddrinknews/10770703/Why-its-time-to-welcome-back-veal.html

 

 

 

Brend’s animals go to the abattoir at six months, which means they don’t have to be dehorned or castrated as older beasts often are. And yes, it’s not very old – but it’s a similar age to pigs and lambs. Alice Swift, Sainsbury’s beef and dairy agricultural manager and a farmer’s daughter herself, insisted, “It’s the number of happy days that count.”

Only a couple of thousand calves are raised this way a year, in six farms as well as Brend’s, a fraction of the total number of male calves born on Sainsbury’s farms. But the market is growing and Sainsbury’s recently hit £1  million worth of sales in the 18 months it has stocked higher-welfare veal. And looking ahead, Compassion in World Farming would like to see a movement back to mixed-use herds, where most of the cows are impregnated with beef-breed sperm, such as Angus. The resultant mixed-breed calves can be reared for beef, while the mother goes back into milk production.

Back home, I cooked up two veal escalopes, one indoor-reared rose veal from Brookfield Farm in Dorset, the other milk fed from Brend’s herd. Raw, they looked much the same colour, a muted red. But once cooked, the difference was striking. The rose veal was darker, a pale beef colour, with a pronounced grain. The milk fed was pale as chicken breast, and fine-grained, velvety textured. Both were delicious, the rose with a clean beefy flavour, while the milk fed was delicate, sweet and, yes, milky – closer to chicken than beef.

Edited March 26, 2018 by chalga

[tinfoilhat 11]

You reckon the Tories would have spent that on something north of the M25? Really?

 

Of course they wouldn't. That's why London has Crossrail and crossrail 2 in progress and we have a glorified dirt track between Sheffield and Manchester.

[retep 68]

You reckon the Tories would have spent that on something north of the M25? Really?

 

The EU do,

 

Earl of Rosebery,

Duke of Buchleuch,

Mohsin Al-Tajir,

Duke of Northumberland

 

To name a few.

 

https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2017/06/30/rich-list-billionaires-scoop-millions-farm-subsidy-payments/

 

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No amount of subsidy can make a cow give milk without giving birth.

 

Even M. Barnier isn’t that powerful.

 

No but it can turn a calf into beef.

[Annie Bynnol 613]

http://sustainablefoodtrust.org/articles/male-dairy-calves-life-worth-living/

 

Raising male calves as veal is one obvious answer...

 

As soon as you see the unrealistic title picture in this link you know how unrealistic the content is.

 

Little calves eating luxury grass in idealistic environment does not reflect the dairy industry where the cows rarely eat grass or see a field.

 

Reducing British food production in order to keep these calves alive is not what people would choose neither does it make economic or environmentalist sense.

[truman 10]

The EU do,

 

Earl of Rosebery,

Duke of Buchleuch,

Mohsin Al-Tajir,

Duke of Northumberland

 

To name a few.

 

https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2017/06/30/rich-list-billionaires-scoop-millions-farm-subsidy-payments/

 

.

 

How about an answer to the question I asked..would the Tories have spent a billion pounds in South Yorkshire?