Freemasons..harmless eccentrics or tools of the Devil?

[Sammax]

On 14/04/2019 at 17:50, Yeah but said:

In all seriousness, you think that the purpose of Freemasonry is for friendly people to gather together and do normal everyday things? ask yourself, why do you need to be a Freemason to do any of the things they point to that they do?

 

On 10/05/2018 at 13:47, Anna B said:

 

Well they should.

Nobody cares until it affects them directly, and when Masonry is allowed to seep into public life and do things like skew justice and affect decisions then it is affecting everyone.

There are several misconceptions regarding Freemasonary being played out here. I hope the following will make for better understanding of what masonry is about.

 

The Grand Master is not the senior person in a lodge but of the whole of the United Grand Lodge of England, currently the Duke of Kent.

A Master Mason is one of the majority of masons.

A Master Mason is elected to be a lodge master and he is that year's Worshipful Master.

Secrecy became 'normal' as Hitler had between 80,000 and 200,000 Freemasons were killed.

United Grand Lodge of England began to change the way it dealt with the general public and the media from the mid-1990s, emphasizing a new "openness."  This presentation was summed as, "we're not a secret society or a society with secrets, but we are a private society."  Lodges across England and Wales began holding open days, to allow the general public to see what they do.

Freemasons undertake to obey the laws of the land in which they reside.

Freemasonry was 'regulated' by Jack Straw of Labour. However he found that the 'review of the policy operating since 1998 has shown no evidence of impropriety or malpractice within the judiciary as a result of a judge being a freemason and in my judgment, therefore, it would be disproportionate to continue the collection or retention of this information. ' The same applied to the police as decided by Sadiq Khan in 2016.

No evidence of collusion by Freemasons has been established following Hilsborough.

Freemasonry donates huge sums of money to many charities.

Minority groups are well represented.

Despite regular assertion that masonry shows preferment the accusers have nothing but innuendo.

 

If the decriers did a little research online they would find the above to be true.

[Pettytom]

7 hours ago, Sammax said:

 

There are several misconceptions regarding Freemasonary being played out here. I hope the following will make for better understanding of what masonry is about.

 

The Grand Master is not the senior person in a lodge but of the whole of the United Grand Lodge of England, currently the Duke of Kent.

A Master Mason is one of the majority of masons.

A Master Mason is elected to be a lodge master and he is that year's Worshipful Master.

Secrecy became 'normal' as Hitler had between 80,000 and 200,000 Freemasons were killed.

United Grand Lodge of England began to change the way it dealt with the general public and the media from the mid-1990s, emphasizing a new "openness."  This presentation was summed as, "we're not a secret society or a society with secrets, but we are a private society."  Lodges across England and Wales began holding open days, to allow the general public to see what they do.

Freemasons undertake to obey the laws of the land in which they reside.

Freemasonry was 'regulated' by Jack Straw of Labour. However he found that the 'review of the policy operating since 1998 has shown no evidence of impropriety or malpractice within the judiciary as a result of a judge being a freemason and in my judgment, therefore, it would be disproportionate to continue the collection or retention of this information. ' The same applied to the police as decided by Sadiq Khan in 2016.

No evidence of collusion by Freemasons has been established following Hilsborough.

Freemasonry donates huge sums of money to many charities.

Minority groups are well represented.

Despite regular assertion that masonry shows preferment the accusers have nothing but innuendo.

 

If the decriers did a little research online they would find the above to be true.

Hi Sammax.

 

Thanks for your informative post about the open and unsinister Freemasons.

 

Could I trouble you with just one more question. How do I join this honourable organisation?

[Sammax]

4 hours ago, Pettytom said:

Hi Sammax.

 

Thanks for your informative post about the open and unsinister Freemasons.

 

Could I trouble you with just one more question. How do I join this honourable organisation?

Hi Pettytom,

 

In the past you were approached by a mason who thought you were an honest and upright person who might enjoy being a member. UGLE has recognised that some interested people are not approached so each Province (roughly aligned with traditional counties) hold open days so that people can visit and see the inside of the building, talk to masons and have their questions answered. They can then apply to become a member direct and are no less a member than those who come via an existing mason recommending them to a lodge.

 

The whole thing has to be fun and masons try to make that so. Masonry is not insular but supports many community projects.

 

Can I ask which county or town you live in? I can then tell you your nearest link.

[Pettytom]

13 minutes ago, Sammax said:

Hi Pettytom,

 

In the past you were approached by a mason who thought you were an honest and upright person who might enjoy being a member. UGLE has recognised that some interested people are not approached so each Province (roughly aligned with traditional counties) hold open days so that people can visit and see the inside of the building, talk to masons and have their questions answered. They can then apply to become a member direct and are no less a member than those who come via an existing mason recommending them to a lodge.

 

The whole thing has to be fun and masons try to make that so. Masonry is not insular but supports many community projects.

 

Can I ask which county or town you live in? I can then tell you your nearest link.

I have a Masonic hall visible from my living room. 😀 So directions  won’t be needed. Thanks for the offer though.

[Sammax]

3 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

I have a Masonic hall visible from my living room. 😀 So directions  won’t be needed. Thanks for the offer though.

Go and chat to them. You will find them all quite normal.

 

[Car Boot]

Masonry prevents the progression of women, ethnic and sexual minorities in the societies in which they clandestinely operate.

 

Masonry is a shadowy elite that uses satanic symbolism and sinister rituals.

[Anna B]

On 29/11/2019 at 01:35, Sammax said:

 

There are several misconceptions regarding Freemasonary being played out here. I hope the following will make for better understanding of what masonry is about.

 

The Grand Master is not the senior person in a lodge but of the whole of the United Grand Lodge of England, currently the Duke of Kent.

A Master Mason is one of the majority of masons.

A Master Mason is elected to be a lodge master and he is that year's Worshipful Master.

Secrecy became 'normal' as Hitler had between 80,000 and 200,000 Freemasons were killed.

United Grand Lodge of England began to change the way it dealt with the general public and the media from the mid-1990s, emphasizing a new "openness."  This presentation was summed as, "we're not a secret society or a society with secrets, but we are a private society."  Lodges across England and Wales began holding open days, to allow the general public to see what they do.

Freemasons undertake to obey the laws of the land in which they reside.

Freemasonry was 'regulated' by Jack Straw of Labour. However he found that the 'review of the policy operating since 1998 has shown no evidence of impropriety or malpractice within the judiciary as a result of a judge being a freemason and in my judgment, therefore, it would be disproportionate to continue the collection or retention of this information. ' The same applied to the police as decided by Sadiq Khan in 2016.

No evidence of collusion by Freemasons has been established following Hilsborough.

Freemasonry donates huge sums of money to many charities.

Minority groups are well represented.

Despite regular assertion that masonry shows preferment the accusers have nothing but innuendo.

 

If the decriers did a little research online they would find the above to be true.

This is the public face of Freemasonry which is 'on display.'

 

But there are many levels and I suspect those in the upper echelons wouldn't want their lodges to be quite so open to scrutiny. I suspect at this level there will never be any evidence of impropriety or malpractice. That doesn't mean it never occurs.

Edited December 1, 2019 by Anna B

[Sammax]

1 hour ago, Car Boot said:

Masonry prevents the progression of women, ethnic and sexual minorities in the societies in which they clandestinely operate.

 

Masonry is a shadowy elite that uses satanic symbolism and sinister rituals.

And your proof for that is what?

 

10 minutes ago, Anna B said:

This is the public face of Freemasonry which is 'on display.'

 

But there are many levels and I suspect those in the upper echelons wouldn't want their lodges to be quite so open to scrutiny. I suspect at this level there will never be any evidence of impropriety or malpractice. That doesn't mean it never occurs.

Anna, go along and have a look or stop promoting the same old conspiracy stuff please. Alternatively outline your proof.

[Pettytom]

2 minutes ago, Sammax said:

And your proof for that is what?

 

Are you on duty for the masons?

 

Just asking because this is the only thread you reply to, and you are quite quick to do so.

 

Odd really, and a bit defensive. A bit like the masons, I suppose

[Sammax]

1 minute ago, Pettytom said:

Are you on duty for the masons?

 

Just asking because this is the only thread you reply to, and you are quite quick to do so.

 

Odd really, and a bit defensive. A bit like the masons, I suppose

Not at all. I speak for myself.

 

Not true, look at the Labour one.

 

You are going to believe what you wish but I have pointed you to explore with an open mind.

 

You either will or not. I will leave you there.