What is equality to you?

[Robin-H]

7 minutes ago, WiseOwl182 said:

Positive discrimination is an oxymoron and should be as illegal as "negative" discrimination.

Positive discrimination is unlawful. 

 

Positive 'action' is not. 

[WiseOwl182]

16 minutes ago, Robin-H said:

Positive discrimination is unlawful. 

 

Positive 'action' is not. 

What's the difference?

[Robin-H]

12 minutes ago, WiseOwl182 said:

What's the difference?

You're allowed to pick someone because of their race, sexuality etc if all the candidates are otherwise at the same level in terms of qualification and experience etc. That is known as positive action. 

 

You're not allowed to pick someone because of their race, sexuality etc if they are being picked over and above someone with better qualifications and experience just because of their race, sexuality etc. That is 'positive' discrimination. 

[WiseOwl182]

1 minute ago, Robin-H said:

You're allowed to pick someone because of their race, sexuality etc if all the candidates are otherwise at the same level in terms of qualification and experience etc. That is known as positive action. 

 

You're not allowed to pick someone because of their race, sexuality etc if they are being picked over and above someone with better qualifications and experience just because of their race, sexuality etc. That is 'positive' discrimination. 

In reality rather than legal terminology, they're both discrimination, just to varying degrees.

[Guest makapaka]

4 minutes ago, WiseOwl182 said:

In reality rather than legal terminology, they're both discrimination, just to varying degrees.

No - one is giving someone an advantage over a more qualified person based on their race / sexuality. 

 

one is giving the equally qualified person the opportunity as their race / sexuality is under represented for various reasons.

 

 

[WiseOwl182]

3 minutes ago, makapaka said:

No - one is giving someone an advantage over a more qualified person based on their race / sexuality. 

 

one is giving the equally qualified person the opportunity as their race / sexuality is under represented for various reasons.

 

 

No:- one is giving someone an advantage over a more qualified person based on their race / sexuality. 

 

One is giving someone an advantage over an equally qualified person based on their race / sexuality. 

Edited February 25, 2019 by WiseOwl182

[Top Cats Hat]

2 minutes ago, WiseOwl182 said:

In reality rather than legal terminology, they're both discrimination, just to varying degrees.

Not quite.

 

If you have two candidates who score equally in the selection process, one a man and one a woman and the post is in a section which is male/female heavy and the man/woman is appointed to redress the balance NOBODY IS BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST.

 

[WiseOwl182]

1 minute ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Not quite.

 

If you have two candidates who score equally in the selection process, one a man and one a woman and the post is in a section which is male/female heavy and the man/woman is appointed to redress the balance NOBODY IS BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST.

 

Yes they are, the one who isn't given the job is being discriminated against, if not in current legal terminology then at least in actuality. They are not getting the job on the basis of their gender not meeting some arbitrary ratio target.

[Top Cats Hat]

7 minutes ago, WiseOwl182 said:

Yes they are, the one who isn't given the job is being discriminated against, if not in current legal terminology then at least in actuality. They are not getting the job on the basis of their gender not meeting some arbitrary ratio target.

They are not getting the job because there is only one job and more than one person has applied for it. 

 

Neither they, nor anyone else not appointed is being discriminated against.

[WiseOwl182]

2 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

They are not getting the job because there is only one job and more than one person has applied for it. 

 

Neither they, nor anyone else not appointed is being discriminated against.

Yes they are. If all else is equal, toss a coin or draw straws. Otherwise, if being of one gender means you don't get the job in preference of someone of another gender, then you're being discriminated against.