Predict outcome of June 2017 UK General Election here

[I1L2T3]

Earlier, mate, earlier, the referendum is 12 months old and our common stance goes back well before it

 

But we sure have had some proper political ding-dongs (I might have put you on ignore awhile back then, I daren't search ) in times gone by.

 

Mostly because I took my time gravitating closer to the centre ground. Credit to you and a few others on here and elsewhere. Even to Anna, whose eyes I'll never stop trying to open: she means well, and is worth it by reason of same. Pinkman, take a leaf, freely and gladly given

 

Yes, this is true. It's 18 months or more we've been arguing against Brexit. Time flies.

[solero]

The divvy thing isn't the issue.

 

au contraire. I think it might be.

 

maybe the New Member for Sheffield Hallam is a divvy anyway, and the fact that he has cerebral palsy also, is totally irrelevant.

[sgtkate]

Earlier, mate, earlier, the referendum is 12 months old and our common stance goes back well before it

 

But we sure have had some proper political ding-dongs (I might have put you on ignore awhile back then, I daren't search ) in times gone by.

 

Mostly because I took my time gravitating closer to the centre ground. Credit to you and a few others on here and elsewhere. Even to Anna, whose eyes I'll never stop trying to open: she means well, and is worth it by reason of same. Pinkman, take a leaf, freely and gladly given

 

And I think you've hit the nail on the head. There are some posters on here who I am outright rude to in pretty much every post and to someone new to the forum who perhaps doesn't know the kinds of stuff that has been posted in past might think I'm being nasty, when really I'm just responding to years of hatred and bile from some posters and I cannot be anything other than exceptionally short with them. Equally some other posters I'll give a lot more time and energy too even if they post something that seems to be nasty, Anna is one of those. This is because I've read enough of her posts to know that at least on SF she isn't nasty or thoughtless. She might be a bit overly concerned by certain conspiracy theories but that doesn't make her nasty. This goes for posters of all political stances. I can disagree quite happily with most people!

 

I also understand the point you are making Pinkman in saying how can someone critique somethings if they haven't actually seen it. To be fair to Anna, that wasn't what she said. Let me quote her:

 

No, I wasn't paying attention, and only heard a bit of it as I was watching the other channel as well. I was in fact, defending Nick Clegg when someone was slagging him off after all he's done, by saying his replacement didn't look that great.

 

So she says she had it on but wasn't paying attention to it. So she made a quick judgement on someone she was watching not listening to. Something we all do every day. Once she finds out there is a reason why he looks uninspiring because his disability limits his physical prowess she admits it completely changes the context of what she saw, because it does.

 

Is there anything at all unreasonable about Anna's stance now? Or shall we continue to play your game?

[alchresearch]

Some interesting statistics from the election:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40331136

 

According to YouGov, class is "no longer a very good indicator of voting intention", finding little difference among the different socio-economic groupings between the two largest parties.

 

In a reversal of the traditional class divide in British politics, Ipsos Mori found: "The middle classes swung to Labour, while working classes swung to the Conservatives."

[blake]

don't forget, Hallam was and really is, if it was in any other part of the country, a typical Tory seat which Labour for many many years thought was totally beyond their grasp. It must be the #1 seat in the country which voted Labour, but has the highest income levels, educational qualifications, and so on. Hallam is a big gain for Labour.

 

WRONG. Hallam is the #2 Labour seat in the country like that. The #1, is London West Kensington which Labour gained in 2017 by a 20 vote majority. It was the last result called of the 650.

 

a bloody good and a very interesting election, with scores of interesting individual counts and results. Historians will always wonder why May called it, when she had a comfortable parliamentary majority of 16 anyway.

[Jeffrey Shaw]

a bloody good and a very interesting election, with scores of interesting individual counts and results. Historians will always wonder why May called it, when she had a comfortable parliamentary majority of 16 anyway.

Yes. I've heard tell that it was in order to wipe-out UKIP as a rival home for disgruntled Conservative anti-EU membership sentiment.

If that's so, it largely (but not entirely) succeeded.