Buchanan drive voted most anti social in country

[Guest]

chav is no longer an acceptable word.

 

LOL, says who?

[Bob Arctor]

No. I am not.

 

There are sources of funding that are available to anyone that is prepared to do the work in order to access it.

 

Take Charnock Recreation Ground as a good example.

 

http://friendsofcharnockrec.co.uk/

 

Affluent areas have more people living in them who have the knowledge and understanding to successfully apply for charitable grants. You should try getting a voluntary management committee together in a deprived area, it's much harder than in an affluent area that has plenty of people with the relevant professional experience and time on their hands. That's why it's important that councils help to balance things, otherwise further resources accrue to areas that already have the most.

[cgksheff]

Affluent areas have more people living in them who have the knowledge and understanding to successfully apply for charitable grants. You should try getting a voluntary management committee together in a deprived area, it's much harder than in an affluent area that has plenty of people with the relevant professional experience and time on their hands. That's why it's important that councils help to balance things, otherwise further resources accrue to areas that already have the most.

 

Like I said ... it is hard work.

 

If you want it .. work for it. Don't just bleat about "nothing for us to do".

 

The Council does help those who help themselves. Read the history of the Charnock funding.

 

Self-help is also a critical part of projects being successful and reducing vandalism.

[Bob Arctor]

Like I said ... it is hard work.

 

If you want it .. work for it. Don't just bleat about "nothing for us to do".

 

The Council does help those who help themselves. Read the history of the Charnock funding.

 

Self-help is also a critical part of projects being successful and reducing vandalism.

 

I know all this but it is not straightforward. A few years ago, SCC closed Pitsmoor and Highfields Adventure Playgrounds to save money. Because of where it is, Highfields found it easier to get a new organisation up and running to take the playground over than in Pitsmoor. There are just not that many people here who are able to do that who aren't already working full time. It was only because - randomly - a very wealthy benefactor was living in Burngreave at the time that the playground didn't close completely. We have lot less social capital than most other areas. That isn't to say that people don't try, it's just a lot harder.

[Love2print]

Its good that there is charitable funding but I'm not sure I would even know where to begin in getting something like this off the ground. Also I have to young children and I wonder how much time it would take?

 

Also do all parks have something like this? Is that why some parks get investment and some don't?

 

@geared what Bob Arctor says about the cost getting to any park in Sheffield is right. Low income families aren't always going to be able to afford it and also there is the travel time too.

 

I read before on here and other places too, if your stuck for free things to do for the kids then take them to the park. Nice idea of you can walk to a nice local park but not free when you have to pay bus fares for youself and kids.

 

I know that Sheffield Council are putting extra money into parks over the next 3 years. I have asked if any money is to go to Colley, I'm waiting for a response.

[Guest makapaka]

I know all this but it is not straightforward. A few years ago, SCC closed Pitsmoor and Highfields Adventure Playgrounds to save money. Because of where it is, Highfields found it easier to get a new organisation up and running to take the playground over than in Pitsmoor. There are just not that many people here who are able to do that who aren't already working full time. It was only because - randomly - a very wealthy benefactor was living in Burngreave at the time that the playground didn't close completely. We have lot less social capital than most other areas. That isn't to say that people don't try, it's just a lot harder.

 

Kids that are likely to get into bother are not going to be of an age to want to play in adventure playgrounds though are they?

[Love2print]

Kids that are likely to get into bother are not going to be of an age to want to play in adventure playgrounds though are they?

 

Maybe not but what children experience whilst growing up effects them and their behaviour.

 

The childrens centre near me has closed and the park as no play equipment. Its not giving children the best start is it?

[Guest makapaka]

Maybe not but what children experience whilst growing up effects them and their behaviour.

 

The childrens centre near me has closed and the park as no play equipment. Its not giving children the best start is it?

 

No - i don't disagree with closing playgrounds obviously.

 

I was talking more about whether or not it would reduce anti social behaviour significantly.

[Cyclone]

Cyclone is allowed to make any statement they wish without question.

 

That's never been the case, I am always clear whether something is an opinion or presented as a fact though.

If I state something as a fact, you can be sure that I can provide the evidence to prove it.

 

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And you opinion is based on what?

 

It's based on the research I've read about the subject.

It's not an extensive list, so I'll be happy to change my mind if the general academic research consensus is contrary to what I thought.

 

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Like I said ... it is hard work.

 

If you want it .. work for it. Don't just bleat about "nothing for us to do".

 

The Council does help those who help themselves. Read the history of the Charnock funding.

 

Self-help is also a critical part of projects being successful and reducing vandalism.

 

Kind of an example of the privilege of wealth and education really isn't it.

 

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I've done a quick google for the role of epigenetics in poverty (not that it was up to me to prove the assertion of course).

I can't find anything that claims such a link exists. But some interesting hits nonetheless.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/depression-anxiety-genes-epigenetic-changes-dna-poverty-a7047201.html

 

https://www.jrf.org.uk/report/psychological-perspectives-poverty

 

http://discovermagazine.com/2013/may/13-grandmas-experiences-leave-epigenetic-mark-on-your-genes

 

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Governments both local and national have recognised and been trying to resolve "problem" families for decades. It takes pretty bad genetics when their family tree have roots in one of the most affluent countries in the world, they've had specialist help from professionals and yet they still can't or don't want to hold down a job. Preferring instead to annoy everyone living close to them.

 

I still say that this is wrong. There is no support from the epigenetic field to suggest that some people simply have bad genetics or epigenetics that make them "problem families".

 

Which is not to say that they aren't constrained, as we all are, by their genetic and epigenetic factors. They may be primed EG speaking to do less well at school and to have slightly lower capacity for language processing or to have an increased risk of depression or cardiac disease. Some of which can directly translate into an ongoing cycle of poverty and even possibly an ongoing cycle of poor parenting.

But EG factors are created by nurture and so it still comes down to nurture. Claiming EG or G factors have created a problem family is a cop out, because it writes them off, it makes it pointless to try and address the issue.

 

That's why it's a cop out.

 

And now Makapaka you can apologise for claiming that I don't provide a basis for my opinions. And PeteM01 who agreed with you can try to prove his statement was true.

[lil-minx92]

There is a massive imbalance in park provision in Sheffield. The two best-resourced parks are both in the south west. Endcliffe and Millhouses parks have had very substantial investment and have loads of varied play equipment and features, despite them being in areas where parents have the most resources to travel to parks and countryside. Compare that with Longley Park, Hillsborough Park, Firth Park and anywhere else in the north of Sheffield. For an adult and two kids to travel by bus from Parson Cross and back is going to cost in the region of £5.40 - just to go to the park! If you're on a low income that's not a trivial amount of money.

 

SCC should have invested more in play opportunities in the less affluent parts of Sheffield, but I often feel that our voices don't get heard as well as those of the people from certain postcodes.

 

Do you have the evidence of this? The labour council have no interest in spending money in non-labour areas if they don't have to, but maybe these are the most popular and well used parks so deserve more funds.