Why did The Labour Party choose Jeremy Corbyn as leader?

[banjodeano]

You will have to do better than that. That's not me slagging you off. That is just stating the facts about what's happening.

 

You seem to be very sensitive about the way it's all falling apart so quickly for Corbyn after only a few weeks. He's meeting the Shadow Cabinet today and the BBC are reporting that those Shadow Cabinet members are saying that mass resignations are likely if Corbyn tries to whip a vote on Syria. So much for Corbyn's new consensus style of leadership.

Come on Eric, please keep up, i didnt say you was slagging me off. i said "slagging other people off"...please try to keep to the facts.

as you said in post 138.....(go back and look if your memory is failing)

You said

 

"If you can't stomach that you'll just have stand impotently and watch while the people who can stomach it look after your life for you. Your debate has ended because more responsible people have taken control of it."

 

And then you are quite happy to let other people fight on your own behalf..hahahahaa....see how funny that is hahahaa

As for people fighting on my behalf...NOT IN MY NAME...

I dont want people going to fight in a silly war, that will serve no purpose, on my behalf, unlike you ...if you want a war Eric, go and fight it yourself,

I'm not sensitive about anything, i think Corbyn is doing okay, he has forced Cameron to do several U turns, one on the tax credit, he did such an excellent job whipping up public opinion that Osborne had no choice but to meekly scarp the idea.......

As for mass resignations "Brilliant" we dont want the Blairites in the party, get them out asp, the party has moved in a new direction

[Eater Sundae]

Come on Eric, please keep up, i didnt say you was slagging me off. i said "slagging other people off"...please try to keep to the facts.

as you said in post 138.....(go back and look if your memory is failing)

You said

 

"If you can't stomach that you'll just have stand impotently and watch while the people who can stomach it look after your life for you. Your debate has ended because more responsible people have taken control of it."

 

And then you are quite happy to let other people fight on your own behalf..hahahahaa....see how funny that is hahahaa

As for people fighting on my behalf...NOT IN MY NAME...

I dont want people going to fight in a silly war, that will serve no purpose, on my behalf, unlike you ...if you want a war Eric, go and fight it yourself,

I'm not sensitive about anything, i think Corbyn is doing okay, he has forced Cameron to do several U turns, one on the tax credit, he did such an excellent job whipping up public opinion that Osborne had no choice but to meekly scarp the idea.......

As for mass resignations "Brilliant" we dont want the Blairites in the party, get them out asp, the party has moved in a new direction

 

Why should they leave the party? Corbyn didn't leave when the Blairites were in charge. He road on their coat tails to keep his place in Parliament.

 

The Blairites were democratic and understood that there was a wide range of views within the party.

 

The Corbynites are so insecure and ultimately less in favour of democracy and scared of dissent that they feel a need to expunge the party of those who are not in full agreement. The harder left showing its true colours.

[exxon]

As for mass resignations "Brilliant" we dont want the Blairites in the party, get them out asp, the party has moved in a new direction

 

That's the ticket. Back of the net!

 

By the way. Who is "WE"?

[Eric Arthur]

Come on Eric, please keep up, i didnt say you was slagging me off. i said "slagging other people off"...please try to keep to the facts.

as you said in post 138.....(go back and look if your memory is failing)

You said

 

"If you can't stomach that you'll just have stand impotently and watch while the people who can stomach it look after your life for you. Your debate has ended because more responsible people have taken control of it."

 

You seem to be struggling with basic language. When I say "you" I mean you. I don't mean "other people".

 

I've had enough of this silliness, you are wasting people's time and picking fights. It is almost as if you want this topic closed down.

[truman]

As for mass resignations "Brilliant" we dont want the Blairites in the party, get them out asp, the party has moved in a new direction

 

So all the people who voted the current Labour MPs in are Blairites? Will Labour be sacking them and asking for by-elections?

[exxon]

So all the people who voted the current Labour MPs in are Blairites? Will Labour be sacking them and asking for by-elections?

 

I see a lot of disenfranchised voters in Labour seats that aren't in the Socialist Republic of South Yorkshire.

[banjodeano]

You seem to be struggling with basic language. When I say "you" I mean you. I don't mean "other people".

 

I've had enough of this silliness, you are wasting people's time and picking fights. It is almost as if you want this topic closed down.

No, i think you are the one struggling, you type something, and mean something else, how am i supposed to know what you mean if you dont type the right words

Picking fights? come now, you sound like a spoilt child, its called debate, you dont like it when Corbinites bite back, your used to giving it out and not taking it back :hihi:

[Eric Arthur]

Anyone can send their views to Jeremy's public consultation on the Syria question.

 

https://t.co/y5nXnpwVvL

 

I said: Parliament must vote FOR air strikes.

 

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Another of the many reasons to take on IS.

 

Isis burns woman alive for refusing to engage in 'extreme' sex act, UN says http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-burns-woman-alive-for-refusing-to-engage-in-extreme-sex-act-un-says-10272832.html

"After attacking a village, [the Islamic State] splits women from men and executes boys and men aged 14 and over. The women and mothers are separated; girls are stripped naked, tested for virginity and examined for breast size and prettiness. The youngest, and those considered the prettiest virgins fetch higher prices and are sent to Raqqa, the IS stronghold.

 

There is a hierarchy: sheikhs get first choice, then emirs, then fighters. They often take three or four girls each and keep them for a month or so, until they grow tired of a girl, when she goes back to market. At slave auctions, buyers haggle fiercely, driving down prices by disparaging girls as flat-chested or unattractive.

Edited November 30, 2015 by Eric Arthur

[sgtkate]

Anyone can send their views to Jeremy's public consultation on the Syria question.

 

https://t.co/y5nXnpwVvL

 

I said: Parliament must vote FOR air strikes.

 

---------- Post added 30-11-2015 at 10:34 ----------

 

Another of the many reasons to take on IS.

 

Isis burns woman alive for refusing to engage in 'extreme' sex act, UN says http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-burns-woman-alive-for-refusing-to-engage-in-extreme-sex-act-un-says-10272832.html

 

Why do people keep doing this? Making out that not supporting air strikes is somehow supporting IS? It's pathetic and annoying.

 

Back on the Corbyn subject. I totally agree with reselection of sitting MPs say after each 2/3 general elections As is often whinged about up here that Labour would vote in a dead donkey, this way gives the party members the chance to remove an underperforming MP, or one that not longer fits with the party ideology. Corbyn was elected with a huge majority so he can say that the party has members have voted to take the party more to the left and if the sitting MPs aren't happy with this then they can leave. If their local constituents still rate them then they would be reselected anyway. Historically, all parties go through ideology changes. I wouldn't say Corbyn is massively hypocritical, he is just having to force through major change quickly as that is what the majority of members of the Labour voted for by electing Corbyn. When Corbyn voted against the whip in the past, it wasn't part of a massive shift. However, I think he really does need to do a full one or the other approach and say if you don't agree with and the mandate I was elected on then leave the party, or on the flip side, accept things will take time to change opinions and allow a free vote on air strikes. If Blair had done this then I would have expected Corbyn to have left the Labour party but it never came to that.

[unbeliever]

Why do people keep doing this? Making out that not supporting air strikes is somehow supporting IS? It's pathetic and annoying.

 

Back on the Corbyn subject. I totally agree with reselection of sitting MPs say after each 2/3 general elections As is often whinged about up here that Labour would vote in a dead donkey, this way gives the party members the chance to remove an underperforming MP, or one that not longer fits with the party ideology. Corbyn was elected with a huge majority so he can say that the party has members have voted to take the party more to the left and if the sitting MPs aren't happy with this then they can leave. If their local constituents still rate them then they would be reselected anyway. Historically, all parties go through ideology changes. I wouldn't say Corbyn is massively hypocritical, he is just having to force through major change quickly as that is what the majority of members of the Labour voted for by electing Corbyn. When Corbyn voted against the whip in the past, it wasn't part of a massive shift. However, I think he really does need to do a full one or the other approach and say if you don't agree with and the mandate I was elected on then leave the party, or on the flip side, accept things will take time to change opinions and allow a free vote on air strikes. If Blair had done this then I would have expected Corbyn to have left the Labour party but it never came to that.

 

 

Perfectly legitimate approach. Deselect them now.

They'll obviously remain in parliament as constitutionally the people vote for a representative and not a party. Some may choose to force a by-election to renew their mandate outside Labour, but they don't have to. Even if they do, some of those will win. They'll become independents, or join another party, or perhaps form a party of their own.

 

Of course pragmatically that's not a good idea for Labour. Once established, the off-shoot party will probably stand in the next general election and there will be 2 Labour candidates on many if not all of the ballot papers.

Still if the 2 parties do well enough, perhaps around the 2050 election, they could always form a coalition government.