Oliver Coppard to win sheffield hallam?

[altus 540]

The most likely outcome of the election will be the SNP being the 3rd largest block of MPs. Miliband will need them and the Lib-Dems to support him in some way. The Tories and Lib-Dems won't have a coalition majority and UKIP and the DUP probably won't be able to help them over the line.

 

So a vote for Clegg is likely to be a vote for Miliband if only because Cameron won't be able to put together a coalition.

 

Under such circumstances more Lib-Dem MPs would mean more ability to reign in Labour excesses. So, for Hallam Tories, a vote for Clegg would still be a good thing.

 

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True up to a point, but they are also getting coverage because they will still end up with (albeit a much reduced) block of MPs, leading to another Conservative/Lib Dem coalition. As for their support of PR, they have been remarkably quiet about this of late.

 

The LibDems are still keen on PR and, despite what smiggs says, under it would have far more MPs. There's no need for them to go on about it now - far better to wait until after the election when there are lots of upset UKIP supporters who will realise just how unfair our system is to anyone other than the Labour and Conservative parties.

[smiggs 10]

True up to a point, but they are also getting coverage because they will still end up with (albeit a much reduced) block of MPs, leading to another Conservative/Lib Dem coalition. As for their support of PR, they have been remarkably quiet about this of late.

 

The election campaign and coverage is driven by the agendas of the two lead parties, only fringe parties are talking about how to radically reform the system. Actually ask a Lib Dem and you'll quickly find they are still passionate about electoral reform.

 

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Under such circumstances more Lib-Dem MPs would mean more ability to reign in Labour excesses. So, for Hallam Tories, a vote for Clegg would still be a good thing.

 

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The LibDems are still keen on PR and, despite what smiggs says, under it would have far more MPs. There's no need for them to go on about it now - far better to wait until after the election when there are lots of upset UKIP supporters who will realise just how unfair our system is to anyone other than the Labour and Conservative parties.

 

How many Lib Dem votes are tactical? They could easily come out with a lower percentage of the vote.

[Flanker7 20]

The biggest losers in this election are likely to be the voters, very few of whom will get what they want. From a constitutional viewpoint, the other biggest loser is the First Past the Post system of election, which is now surely discredited as a means of ensuring stable government and fair representation. As an example of the latter anomaly, Clegg is given huge amounts of airtime and credence by the media, despite his party having only single percentage figure support in the polls.

 

If you think that way every election system fails to give a majority what they want. But what we do get is a more general representation of the general wish of the nation. A first past the post system only truely reflects the people wishes in a two party situation (USA)

UKIP are an example, under each system they get on the one hand 2-3 seats or 12% (9?) of the seats. Both are of minimal use in the bigger picture as it should be with that amount of support.

 

So a Coalition or a minority government is the choice of the people and the politicians are duty bound to give it a crack.

Edited May 2, 2015 by Flanker7

[go4it 10]

 

So a Coalition or a minority government is the choice of the people and the politicians are duty bound to give it a crack.

 

The problem is that people have too much choice. Politics was just 3 parties, and the Monster Raving Loony Party. Politics has got out of hand with too many parties standing for different things. People follow other people and sometimes vote for a smaller party because it is something different, or they dislike the main parties. People also are worried about what people will say - some will not vote Tory because they are worried their friends will call them posh, or of they vote UKIP that they will be called racist - unaware that the vote in secret and they do not need to tell anyone outside the polling station who they voted for.

[stressconsul 10]

Are Hallam Tory supporters stuck between a rock and a hard place? With Clegg backing Alexander's leak of Tory welfare cuts, he has certainly annoyed Cameron. Cameron is beginning to insist he will only govern with people committed to an in/out EU referendum. Could Clegg be unprincipled enough to back this? Or is he seriously contemplating the previously unthinkable - a Lib Lab Coalition? Who to vote for - Vote for Clegg and maybe get Miliband or vote for Tory Ian Walker and maybe get Oliver Coppard? Quite a dilemma - glad I am a Labour voter.

[aalto 10]

Clegg is a cynical, deceitful career politician. His actions at the last election and since then have probably done more to put people off politics than anyone else.

 

I don't know Coppard but he sounds as if he has his heart in the right place. He is best placed to give Clegg in particular and politicians in general a black eye.

 

They need to see you can't keep trying to pull the wool over people's eyes and taking them for granted. The Lib-Dems have propped up the Tories for 5 years in government. The Tories are ok, if you plan never to be ill, lose your job, rely on public services, the Police, Fire, NHS, local schools and you don't believe in Society. A defeat for Clegg would be defeat for all those toads who take the electorate for granted. Effectively, a vote for the Lib-Dems is a vote for the Tories. Fine if that is what you want. If you don't, don't vote Lib-Dem.

[Eater Sundae 12]

The most likely outcome of the election will be the SNP being the 3rd largest block of MPs. Miliband will need them and the Lib-Dems to support him in some way. The Tories and Lib-Dems won't have a coalition majority and UKIP and the DUP probably won't be able to help them over the line.

 

So a vote for Clegg is likely to be a vote for Miliband if only because Cameron won't be able to put together a coalition.

 

A vote for Clegg is never a vote for Milliband. A vote for Coppard may help lead to a Labour government, while a vote for Clegg may help to lead to a Lab - Libdem coalition, or Labour minority government relying on Libdem support. So if someone likes the idea of "giving Labour a brain", it would still make sense to vote for Clegg. Failure to vote for Clegg is, in effect, giving direct support to Milliband.

Edited May 2, 2015 by Eater Sundae

[aalto 10]

Voting Lib-Dem is " Giving Labour a Brain" ? More like voting to give the public a complete turn off from politics! Milliband is far more principled than Clegg and Cameron.

[Grappler 12]

Clegg is a cynical, deceitful career politician. His actions at the last election and since then have probably done more to put people off politics than anyone else.

 

I don't know Coppard but he sounds as if he has his heart in the right place. He is best placed to give Clegg in particular and politicians in general a black eye.

 

They need to see you can't keep trying to pull the wool over people's eyes and taking them for granted. The Lib-Dems have propped up the Tories for 5 years in government. The Tories are ok, if you plan never to be ill, lose your job, rely on public services, the Police, Fire, NHS, local schools and you don't believe in Society. A defeat for Clegg would be defeat for all those toads who take the electorate for granted. Effectively, a vote for the Lib-Dems is a vote for the Tories. Fine if that is what you want. If you don't, don't vote Lib-Dem.

 

Why? What has he said?

[Eater Sundae 12]

Under such circumstances more Lib-Dem MPs would mean more ability to reign in Labour excesses. So, for Hallam Tories, a vote for Clegg would still be a good thing.

 

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The LibDems are still keen on PR and, despite what smiggs says, under it would have far more MPs. There's no need for them to go on about it now - far better to wait until after the election when there are lots of upset UKIP supporters who will realise just how unfair our system is to anyone other than the Labour and Conservative parties.

 

^^^^ this

[aalto 10]

Why? What has he said?

 

http://http://www.betterforsheffield.co.uk/

Edited May 2, 2015 by aalto

[Grappler 12]

http://http://www.betterforsheffield.co.uk/

 

You put http twice, so the link won't work for anyone who doesn't understand how hyper text works