ivanava   10 #337 Posted February 28, 2014 Keeping murderers alive is a valuable resource, it punishes them for life, failing killing them I don't have a problem with that. If a terrorist kills 50 people how do you kill that terrorist 50 times? and if you do have your way how do you stop another terrorist killing another 100 people in retaliation through martyrdom? Using those figures you alone are contributing to culpability which you so easily use against others who simply want life banged up.  Do you have any figures for the amount of people that became terrorists just because Osama bin Laden was killed? Do you have any figures for the amount of people that became murders just because a murder was killed? If not, the point you are trying desperately to make can be dismissed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
skinz   10 #338 Posted February 28, 2014 (edited) Do you have any figures for the amount of people that became terrorists just because Osama bin Laden was killed? Do you have any figures for the amount of people that became murders just because a murder was killed? If not, the point you are trying desperately to make can be dismissed.  I'll provide them when you provide figures that leukaemia sufferers suffer because of diverted resources in aid of murderers.  You still avoided the question..do you vote? ?( I guess it's a tricky question to answer when you have all those post to go through in present and previous guises)  To wet your insatiable appetite for death.. Edited February 28, 2014 by skinz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Halibut   12 #339 Posted February 28, 2014 Its not really worth the effort because humans aren't in short supply and there are many more people much more deserving of the effort that would be involved in rehabilitation. ---------- Post added 28-02-2014 at 14:18 ----------   The society that let the murderer out of prison is just as culpable as the murderer if he kills again. If I had a dog that killed someone, I'm sure everyone would be blaming me if it went on to kill another couple of people just because I wouldn't allow it to be put down.  The men that killed Lee Rigby wanted to be martyred - they were hoping to be shot dead by the police.  You want them dead, so you'd be happy to give them what they wanted.  Pretty sick thinking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
ivanava   10 #340 Posted February 28, 2014 (edited) I'll provide them when you provide figures that leukaemia sufferers suffer because of diverted resources in aid of murderers. You still avoided the question..do you vote? ?( I guess it's a tricky question to answer when you have all those post to go through in present and previous guises)  To wet your insatiable appetite for death..  Sadly lack of funding means that not every patient has access to a specialist nurse. http://www.justgiving.com/LeukaemiaCAREChristmasAppeal  They lack funding because there isn't enough money to pay for everything society needs, they should be more important than a murderers welfare, but sadly because there are people like you they have to share the limited resources with murderers.  Your turn. Edited February 28, 2014 by ivanava Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
skinz   10 #341 Posted February 28, 2014 Sadly lack of funding means that not every patient has access to a specialist nurse. http://www.justgiving.com/LeukaemiaCAREChristmasAppeal They lack funding because there isn't enough money to pay for everything we need, they should be more important than a murderers welfare, but sadly because there are people like you they have to share the limited resources with murderers.  Your turn.  You're kidding, please tell me your kidding. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
ivanava   10 #342 Posted February 28, 2014 The men that killed Lee Rigby wanted to be martyred - they were hoping to be shot dead by the police. You want them dead, so you'd be happy to give them what they wanted.  Pretty sick thinking.  Yep and I would divert the resources that they will consume over the next 45 years to more deserving people, I would even harvest their organs for anyone who is willing to accept them.  ---------- Post added 28-02-2014 at 17:04 ----------  You're kidding, please tell me your kidding.  You do understand that resources have to be shared around, there isn't a bottomless pit of money, so the more people that are expected to share these resources, the less each person gets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Halibut   12 #343 Posted February 28, 2014 Yep and I would divert the resources that they will consume over the next 45 years to more deserving people, I would even harvest their organs for anyone who is willing to accept them. ---------- Post added 28-02-2014 at 17:04 ----------   You do understand that resources have to be shared around, there isn't a bottomless pit of money, so the more people that are expected to share these resources, the less each person gets.  I shan't waste any more time on you this evening - you're clearly too intellectually challenged to bother with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
ivanava   10 #344 Posted February 28, 2014 I shan't waste any more time on you this evening - you're clearly too intellectually challenged to bother with.  You are so predictable, when you run out of arguments to support your stance you resort to insults. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
skinz   10 #345 Posted February 28, 2014  You do understand that resources have to be shared around, there isn't a bottomless pit of money, so the more people that are expected to share these resources, the less each person gets.  Pretty pointless then linking me to a charity. If there's not enough to go around why have a charity? surely that's a waste of advertising revenue and effort? contributing directly to their patients suffering... but that would be using your own skewed logic. I also read nothing within your link linking lack of resources is the result of murderers contributing to their plight. If we removed killers overnight charities would still exist and still require more.  So no, it isn't "my turn", you come up with something a little more credible.  ---------- Post added 28-02-2014 at 18:20 ----------  You are so predictable, when you run out of arguments to support your stance you resort to insults.   You're now talking to Mr Smith I presume? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
mort   10 #346 Posted February 28, 2014 The bickering and name calling can stop now - if it starts up again i will issue suspensions. There will be no more warnings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
ricgem2002 Â Â 11 #347 Posted February 28, 2014 Yep and I would divert the resources that they will consume over the next 45 years to more deserving people, I would even harvest their organs for anyone who is willing to accept them. remember people dont know where the donor organs come from so in my book less said the better Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
ivanava   10 #348 Posted February 28, 2014 Pretty pointless then linking me to a charity. If there's not enough to go around why have a charity? surely that's a waste of advertising revenue and effort? contributing directly to their patients suffering... but that would be using your own skewed logic. I also read nothing within your link linking lack of resources is the result of murderers contributing to their plight. If we removed killers overnight charities would still exist and still require more. So no, it isn't "my turn", you come up with something a little more credible.  Charities raise money for good causes, in many cases because government doesn't have the resources to fund them directly. Government doesn't have the funds because they waste the money they do get, some of which is wasted on making sure murderers have an healthy enjoyable life in prisons with the occasional day release.  You're now talking to Mr Smith I presume? You really should make your mind up, one minute I'm Mr Smith, now its Halibut that is Mr Smith and who the hell is Mr Smith anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...