14yr old girl reported as injured by the Taliban.

[PaliRichard]

Irish Republican Army.

 

Slight difference, the majority in Northern Island wanted to be part of the UK, the IRA was in the minority. In don’t think the Palestinians would fall into that category, they don’t want to be part of Israel because they see Israel and the Jews as an occupying force that as the support of the west. Hence the reason some Muslims are at war with the west, they don’t have the means to fight a conventional war so have to fight it in an unconventional way.

 

I was merely referring to the fact that both groups identify themselves as being freedom fighters but it doesn't stop them being terrorists.

[PaliRichard]

Hopefully she will recover and inspire her fellow Muslims take a firm stance against the Islamists.

 

Totally agree.

[maxmaximus]

My post did require a point by point explanation, had it not done your selective quoting would have been sufficient, as I clearly stated at the beginning of that post I put several quotes from the quran in it to paint a full picture.

 

They have taken them selectively, exactly like you have, without viewing them in the context of the full picture - exactly like you did - and I believe you know that full well and that is why you are loath to include the bits that contradict your viewpoint.

 

I didn't take your post selectively.

 

I'm sorry but again you are assuming incorrectly that everything you read will be understood identically by everyone else, this is not the nature of being human. You post made perfect sense to me and in my opinion proved my point that Muslims can take up arms against an aggressor. You even made it clear that not doing so would displease Allah.

 

You have a different opinion on what you wrote; I didn't agree with it, I've repeatedly asked you to clarify certain aspects of it, which you refuse to do. You just can't get your head round the fact that all humans are different and will form different opinions on the same information.

[PaliRichard]

I didn't take your post selectively.

 

I'm sorry but again you are assuming incorrectly that everything you read will be understood identically by everyone else, this is not the nature of being human. You post made perfect sense to me and in my opinion proved my point that Muslims can take up arms against an aggressor. You even made it clear that not doing so would displease Allah.

 

You have a different opinion on what you wrote; I didn't agree with it, I've repeatedly asked you to clarify certain aspects of it, which you refuse to do. You just can't get your head round the fact that all humans are different and will form different opinions on the same information.

 

You selectively quoted my post to back up your own viewpoint - this could be solved by you making a point by point analysis of my post - which you wont do - it's not that I 'refuse' to clarify the post but there is no need to clarify any points because if you take the post as a whole those points are clarified within it - you're just simply not taking it as a whole, we've been through this and I'm not getting back into it.

 

The fact is you selectively quoted from my post, the post was there to form a full picture, by selectively quoting you negated that full picture. Until such a time as you take the full post together you wont have that full picture. You're hooked on one tiny segment of my post which you have taken out of context - and simply refusing to take the rest of it into account doesn't validate your argument.

[maxmaximus]

I was merely referring to the fact that both groups identify themselves as being freedom fighters but it doesn't stop them being terrorists.

 

 

Where does it say in the Quran that acts of terror are not permitted under any circumstances?

[maxmaximus]

You selectively quoted my post to back up your own viewpoint - this could be solved by you making a point by point analysis of my post - which you wont do - it's not that I 'refuse' to clarify the post but there is no need to clarify any points because if you take the post as a whole those points are clarified within it - you're just simply not taking it as a whole, we've been through this and I'm not getting back into it.

 

The fact is you selectively quoted from my post, the post was there to form a full picture, by selectively quoting you negated that full picture. Until such a time as you take the full post together you wont have that full picture. You're hooked on one tiny segment of my post which you have taken out of context - and simply refusing to take the rest of it into account doesn't validate your argument.

 

For the last time, I took it as a whole and it pointed to the fact a Muslim can take up arms in the defence of their fellow believers.

 

Flamingjimmy took it point by point and probably made a better job of it than I could have, I agreed with Jimmy's analysis of it.

I can’t change my opinion until you clarify the points I have raised, if you don’t want to change my opinion then there’s little point in the discussion.

 

It’s also only talked about believers of different faiths; I assumed that none of it applies to non believers.

 

As a non believer this could be a little worrying, although it doesn’t stop me buying kebabs from my local Muslim kebab shop. It would be nice to know what it actually means if it doesn’t mean what it actually says.

 

http://quran.com/9/123

O you who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness. And know that Allah is with the righteous.

 

Hopefully there aren’t too many believers that will act on it.

Edited October 15, 2012 by maxmaximus

[Plain Talker]

Am I the only one who disagrees with the girl being brought here for treatment. I heard on the news that the treatment she will need will be very lengthy. I know it seems harsh but there are people already here, of all races, who've paid taxes and can't get the treatment they need. For instance someone I know has just started an expensive treatment for a life threatening illness after waiting since last October.

 

It seems the country is not as hard up as we are continually told. Perhaps the girl's treatment is to be funded by the Pakistan government but they just don't have the facilities. Then that would be ok.

 

a) She will get good medical treatment here, which i presume will be specialist/ appropriate to the injury she has suffered. (see janie's comment, below)

 

b) don't you think she deserves this help, considering her brave stance against the Taliban?

 

If there is a better chance of her making a recovery i'm very glad she has been brought here.I don't think its going to make any difference to NHS waiting lists.

 

I doubt that this will cause many problems, with waiting lists, either... I doubt there are more than a tuthree people, here in the UK, waiting for surgery after being shot in the head in such an attack.

 

You wouldn't say that if you were waiting for treatment or an operation that keeps being put off.

I was referring to the terrorists who live here while claiming benefit..

 

You see that comment of yours? That's just complete garbage, that is, Doris.

 

When my grandma's knee replacement was delayed, it was because of a total scumbag waste of breath 13 year old white chav joyrider who smashed his leg up crashing in a stolen vehicle.

 

Now, for HIM, I'd gladly queue-jump every man jack (and woman Jacqueline) in front of him... ad infinitum. HE would be the sort of person I'd refuse to treat, not this brave young woman. in fact, I'd leave him squealing like a stuck-pig, in his pain...

 

"Oh, so you've smashed your leg up in the process of stealing that car, did you?

 

That's such a pity.

 

Oh, you need some pain relief, is that right?"

 

Oh, dear. TOUGH!"

 

"Sorry, what's that? You need your leg operating on, to straighten it back up? Really? Shame...Hard bloomin' luck, chum. YOU 'teefed' the car... YOU smashed the car up... YOU can now live with the crippled leg that you totally brought on yourself..."

[mafya]

Am I the only one who disagrees with the girl being brought here for treatment. I heard on the news that the treatment she will need will be very lengthy. I know it seems harsh but there are people already here, of all races, who've paid taxes and can't get the treatment they need. For instance someone I know has just started an expensive treatment for a life threatening illness after waiting since last October.

 

It seems the country is not as hard up as we are continually told. Perhaps the girl's treatment is to be funded by the Pakistan government but they just don't have the facilities. Then that would be ok.

 

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Hmm I wonder why?

I'm happy for my taxes to contribute to this girls care as I'm sure most of the country would be.

Edited October 15, 2012 by mafya
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[Plain Talker]

For the last time, I took it as a whole and it pointed to the fact a Muslim can take up arms in the defence of their fellow believers.

 

Flamingjimmy took it point by point and probably made a better job of it than I could have, I agreed with Jimmy's analysis of it.

I can’t change my opinion until you clarify the points I have raised, if you don’t want to change my opinion then there’s little point in the discussion.

 

It’s also only talked about believers of different faiths; I assumed that none of it applies to non believers.

 

As a non believer this could be a little worrying, although it doesn’t stop me buying kebabs from my local Muslim kebab shop. It would be nice to know what it actually means if it doesn’t mean what it actually says.

http://quran.com/9/123

O you who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness. And know that Allah is with the righteous.

 

Hopefully there aren’t too many believers that will act on it.

 

there's that wonderful "context" stuff again... You DO understand what the word "context" means, don't you?

 

What exactly was happening at that time that was revealed, for the prophet to give that decree?

 

Wasn't it something about the Prophet and the early Muslims having war waged upon them, by the unbelievers?

 

What does the chapter in which it was revealed say as a whole? What did it mean? what do the verses immediately surrounding that out-of-context single verse say, and how do they relate to each other, in context

[Halibut]

Am I the only one who disagrees with the girl being brought here for treatment.

 

I wondered when the first one would crawl out of the woodwork.