Immigrants have children for benefits, says Asian peer

[boyfriday 21]

Ok BF are you endorsing the race to the bottom?

 

Where does it all end ? Hundreds of Millions if not Billions live on $2 or less a day !

 

You volunteering to lead the way and look after your family on £10 or £20 a week?

 

I'm not endorsing anything, I'm articulating the harsh realities of life.

 

Unless we want to make and consume only home grown/manufactured products/food/services, then the unskilled people at the bottom will always be competing with unskilled labour from other countries, moaning about immigration doesn't deal with low wages or the future of UK plc.

 

If I was in a position where I was looking at living on £10 or £20 a week, I'd do what a lot of self motivated immigrants would do, I'd make myself employable and move somewhere here or abroad that would secure my family's future, I certainly wouldn't expect employers to come looking for me or pay me a certain level of wage just because I thought I deserved it.

[alex3659 11]

Perhaps you should also have reminded the poster I was responding to.

 

Probably right, everyone knew this thread would decend into the same old crap which is dished out on here day in day out and just goes round in circles.

That's probably why it was posted in the first place.

[boyfriday 21]

We impose sanctions on countries that the US and Israel dislike we could impose sanctions or huge tariffs on countries that exploit child labour.

 

That would only work if everyone was committed to a common outcome, but I'm afraid we've all got used to relatively cheap clothes and food. I readily endorse your view though, countries who exploit children should have sanctions imposed against them, but again it doesn't necessarily address the problem of cheap labour, just cheap labour being provided by children.

[BritPat 10]

I'm not endorsing anything, I'm articulating the harsh realities of life.

 

Unless we want to make and consume only home grown/manufactured products/food/services, then the unskilled people at the bottom will always be competing with unskilled labour from other countries, moaning about immigration doesn't deal with low wages or the future of UK plc.

 

If I was in a position where I was looking at living on £10 or £20 a week, I'd do what a lot of self motivated immigrants would do, I'd make myself employable and move somewhere here or abroad that would secure my family's future, I certainly wouldn't expect employers to come looking for me or pay me a certain level of wage just because I thought I deserved it.

 

Thanks BF you sum it up well, those of us here for long haul have to put up with opportunists of different races with different religions customs and social mores manifold antagonisms with each other etc.

 

We have to tolerate a lack of commonality and communality all in order to satisfy the temporary material requirements of interlopers.

 

It is difficult to blame the poor for seeking a better lot it is compulsory to blame our own leaders for playing them off against each other and us in order to secure profits for their backers.

Edited September 14, 2011 by BritPat

[BritPat 10]

That would only work if everyone was committed to a common outcome, but I'm afraid we've all got used to relatively cheap clothes and food. I readily endorse your view though, countries who exploit children should have sanctions imposed against them, but again it doesn't necessarily address the problem of cheap labour, just cheap labour being provided by children.

 

I'm glad that our views do sometimes overlap.

Everyone in power is committed to a common outcome, source goods and services in the cheapest location sell them in the richest location.

 

It is a recipe for a constant swing between fortune and poverty for individual Nations however the Banksters are a Stateless bunch and they are guaranteed to always have low cost locations to buy from and rich ones to sell to.

 

It doesn't matter a jot to them who is temporarily rich or poor.

[chem1st 10]

JSA is £67 or 53 (for an under 25).

 

A child will yield £20 in CB and £57 in CTC.

Further children yield £13 in CB and £57 in CTC.

 

So children yield more than unemployed adults. They also increase the family unit housing benefit entitlement, at least up until the 4 bedroom rate. So ideally the maximum claim for the least children is 3 of one sex and one of the other.

 

Now consider economy of scale, cooking, heating, electric, shared TV, shared TV license etc.

 

An unemployed mother of 4 will live a far superior live to a young man working full time.

Her car insurance will be cheaper too.

If she can get her child diagnosed as autistic she'll be rolling in it!

[retep 68]

I think we exploded that particular myth on the Ethnic mapping thread retep.

 

I must have missed it can you point it out.

[Eviledals 10]

Did you put their bin out for them while they were on holiday?. All good neighbours should you know.

No he had it in the house picking at the scraps of caviare and drinking the dregs from the jeroboams of Bollinger's

[quisquose 10]

I've no idea what benefit entitlements are, so what exactly would me the wife and our two kids get if we were out of work, and how much more would it be if we had three kids?

 

Housing benefit, JSA, CB etc?

[mossdog 10]

I'm not endorsing anything, I'm articulating the harsh realities of life.

 

Unless we want to make and consume only home grown/manufactured products/food/services, then the unskilled people at the bottom will always be competing with unskilled labour from other countries, moaning about immigration doesn't deal with low wages or the future of UK plc.

 

If I was in a position where I was looking at living on £10 or £20 a week, I'd do what a lot of self motivated immigrants would do, I'd make myself employable and move somewhere here or abroad that would secure my family's future, I certainly wouldn't expect employers to come looking for me or pay me a certain level of wage just because I thought I deserved it.

Your last sentence describes the sickness of the British today BF I hate to say.Brits in the past had no trouble seeking employment the world over.but these days would sooner march and moan whilst gradually sinking below water as a nation!

[BritPat 10]

can i ask why you are totally opposed to the edl?

 

Of course you can. I believe that the rank and file of the EDL are being used as 'useful idiots' please don't read that as an insult.

 

The State is in favour of mass immigration, it went to war for Muslims in what was Yugoslavia, however, when Muslims are perceived to threaten Zionist Israel's interests Our State and of course the West in general but principally the US will sacrifice no end of treasure, unlimited British/US lives, unlimited Muslim civillian lives to sate the interests of Zionist Israel.

 

The State has a dilemma on its hands, it needs a general perception to exist amongst the populace that Islam is a clear and present danger in order to justify the waste of valuable resource not to mention British and Muslim civillian lives.

 

The State needs to distance itself from the deliberate generation of the aforementioned perception.

 

Agitation and a strategy of tension are tried and trusted methods practiced by the State.

 

The NF and the BNP have always had their street presence tightly controlled by the Police on behalf of the State.

 

The 'Football Firms' are tightly controlled by the State, specific legislation being passed to that end, they (Football Firms) are of course a public nuisance but the authorities always worried about energetic and exploitable white working class males being mobilised by 'extremists'.

 

We have the BNP NF and what was seen as possible foot soldiers shackled.

On cue a new Organisation rises spontaneoulsy, fairly well organised, apparently sponsored the police make a half hearted attempt to control them.

 

This new street level organisation is apparently anti-racist,pro-gay it is in fact a politically correct gang of street thugs they are tolerant of all faiths too, well of all faiths except one

 

The top end of the dog has Zionist terror links and probably finance too while

the rank and file that were once seen as possible BNP/NF types waiting to be recruited can be seen and overheard offering their Sieg Heils and politically incorrect opinions.

 

Some of the Socialists and Liberalistas on here either can't or won't see what's happening.

 

The BNP and NF always tried/try to politically educate their recruits, the white working class youth often poorly educated are generally full of militant bravado while being totally unaware of who the 'enemy' really are, they believe that Blacks/Asians etc are the enemy until they are informed that the real enemy is invariably White/Male/40+ Upper and Middle class traitors.

 

The EDL don't really want to go tutoring their 'useful idiots' against the founders and sponsors of the whole enterprise lest they become 'useless cognoscenti'

Edited September 14, 2011 by BritPat

[quisquose 10]

Baroness Flather speaks to the nation (via today's Daily Fail unfortunately):

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2037998/Polygamy-welfare-benefits-insidious-silence.html

 

In this disturbing and brave exposé, a Pakistan-born baroness reveals how some of her countrymen have as many children as possible by several wives so as to milk our welfare system...