Would a nice god allow bad things to happen?

[DaFoot]

Unfortunately, this is the sort of flawed psuedo-science rubbish that creationists and their ilk feed each other daily, with a side order of self-satisfying smugness having 'proved' that God exists.

 

I didn't read it as proving God exists so much as proving you can't prove he (she/it/they) doesn't exist.

[Waxen_Pith]

I didn't read it as proving God exists so much as proving you can't prove he (she/it/they) doesn't exist.

 

Fair enough. I understood it as arguing that faith is on par with scientific reasoning as a means of explanation for whatever phenonema.

 

Of course you can't prove that God doesn't exist. You also can't prove that the Magic Elfmen at the bottom of my garden don't exist - but we don't go to war in the name of the Magic Elfmen.

[Zomoniac]

I didn't read it as proving God exists so much as proving you can't prove he (she/it/they) doesn't exist.

 

Not being able to disprove something does not, and never will, prove anything. There is as much proof that I am god as there is that 'God' is god. By the logic that failure to disprove counts as proof, you should all be worshipping me.

[Big Boy]

Create worms?

 

Make ants that kill other nests in order to steal their eggs to breed slaves?

 

Allow mantis to eat the father of thier child and sometimes the body after pro-creating?

 

Allow certain parasitic wasps paralise their grub victims by stinging, only to lay eggs in its body that eat them-alive-from the inside!

 

See the point in letting whales spend 100's of thousands of years moving to land only to dictate it has to go back to sea with lungs.

 

And that's the unconscious creatures of god acting almost as if he didn't exist at all and just doing whatever it takes-just to survive. Once we start with conscious minds we enter all new realms of god supervised evil.

 

My point here really says that anyone who claims to believe in evolution and god must enjoy the cruelty god insists most unconscious animals inflict on one another.

 

You can't truly understand evolution if you believe in god. The two can't go hand in hand. Evolution contradicts ALL religious [man made] scripture.

 

MAN HAS EXISTED FOR LESS THAN 1% OF OUR PLANETS LIFE. WITHOUT MAN THERE IS NO GOD. GOD HAS EXISTED FOR LESS THAN 250,000 YEARS, OUR PLANET HAS EXISTED FOR MORE THAN 4500 MILLION YEARS.

 

The concept of god goes against all scientific facts that we know. The threats of hell and the promise of heaven are strong pulls on our human psychology, but we don't have a scrap of evidence to support. All we have is some crappy man made documents, written over several hundred years and adapted, translated and doctored over a a 1000 year period. This is in what could be described as modern times, relative to the age of man. What did they believe in for the 230-240 thousand years before this tosh? Clue-probably more tosh long since forgotten!

 

The old testament lasted for around 15,000 years before being almost completely dismissed as nonsense Jesus. he decided to make up his own **** and bull version of life, and many people still prescribe to the biggest con that ever lived. Jesus conned and cons you all.

 

What god allows adults to touch children? What sort of god can't do anything about it? What sort of god do you believe in?

 

?God isnt real. Its all fiction and so should be taken with a pinch of salt.

[Br8inend]

Well no, I understand perfectly well that cats evolved from different species, how about this one then?

 

And also If you think cats have always been cats and dogs have always been dogs then how come they weren't around at the time of the dinosaurs?

 

After the dawn of life there were millions of years in which there was no life at all on the land, no animals and no plants, everything lived in the sea. Where were the cats and dogs then?

 

How do you know? Was you there? Its all conjecture and theory.

[RIZRAT]

Hey !! Getting good with the big word's Br8inend :hihi: Totally agree with your comment about god though

 

I know someone that breeds 6 legged racing tortoises and is doing quite well with tortoise stem cell research now being legalised and Homer Simpson had Spider Pig too.. What is the world coming to ? people will be having ears grafted/crafted onto their arms next

[mj.scuba]

So you don't believe in God. Why don't you just let others be? They don't have to prove God exists to prove they believe in God. The fact they say they believe in God means God does exist to them, it doesn't matter if God exists to anybody else.

 

My point here really says that anyone who claims to believe in evolution and god must enjoy the cruelty god insists most unconscious animals inflict on one another. Why must they enjoy it??

 

You can't truly understand evolution if you believe in god. The two can't go hand in hand. Evolution contradicts ALL religious [man made] scripture.

I think you can. You just have to believe that everything that happens, including evolution, is the will or design of God. If we evolved from Apes, a religous person could say that is because God made it that way.

 

The concept of god goes against all scientific facts that we know. Science no more has the answer to absolutely everything than religion does.

[RIZRAT]

So you don't believe in God. Why don't you just let others be? They don't have to prove God exists to prove they believe in God. The fact they say they believe in God means God does exist to them, it doesn't matter if God exists to anybody else.

 

My point here really says that anyone who claims to believe in evolution and god must enjoy the cruelty god insists most unconscious animals inflict on one another. Why must they enjoy it??

 

You can't truly understand evolution if you believe in god. The two can't go hand in hand. Evolution contradicts ALL religious [man made] scripture.

I think you can. You just have to believe that everything that happens, including evolution, is the will or design of God. If we evolved from Apes, a religous person could say that is because God made it that way.

 

The concept of god goes against all scientific facts that we know. Science no more has the answer to absolutely everything than religion does.

Oh Jeeburs..... Not another Grahame !!! God is unconfirmed and unsubstantiated and is at best a dilemma. Who/what/where was god that made us in his form when he was conceived ?? surely GOD is not so vain as to appoint himself omnipotent ??

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

SHABBA !!!!

[f0rd]

Create worms?

 

Make ants that kill other nests in order to steal their eggs to breed slaves?

 

Allow mantis to eat the father of thier child and sometimes the body after pro-creating?

 

Allow certain parasitic wasps paralise their grub victims by stinging, only to lay eggs in its body that eat them-alive-from the inside!

 

See the point in letting whales spend 100's of thousands of years moving to land only to dictate it has to go back to sea with lungs.

 

Why not?

 

And that's the unconscious creatures of god acting almost as if he didn't exist at all and just doing whatever it takes-just to survive. Once we start with conscious minds we enter all new realms of god supervised evil.

 

My point here really says that anyone who claims to believe in evolution and god must enjoy the cruelty god insists most unconscious animals inflict on one another.

 

Why "MUST" a believer enjoy that cruelty?

 

You can't truly understand evolution if you believe in god

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So a belief in god impedes the faculty of reason?

 

The two can't go hand in hand. Evolution contradicts ALL religious [man made] scripture.[/Quote]

ProTip: They can.

 

MAN HAS EXISTED FOR LESS THAN 1% OF OUR PLANETS LIFE. WITHOUT MAN THERE IS NO GOD.

 

Unqualified assertion.

 

GOD HAS EXISTED FOR LESS THAN 250,000 YEARS, OUR PLANET HAS EXISTED FOR MORE THAN 4500 MILLION YEARS.[/Quote]

Evidence? Or are you going to point me back to your unqualified assertion?

 

The concept of god goes against all scientific facts that we know

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Actually no it doesn't.

 

The threats of hell and the promise of heaven are strong pulls on our human psychology, but we don't have a scrap of evidence to support.

 

Yet the threats of heaven a hell are rarely found in the bible, and in Judaism, there isn't threat of hell seeing how it doesn't exist.

 

All we have is some crappy man made documents, written over several hundred years and adapted, translated and doctored over a a 1000 year period. This is in what could be described as modern times, relative to the age of man. What did they believe in for the 230-240 thousand years before this tosh? Clue-probably more tosh long since forgotten!

So old and man made = crappy.

 

In, which case let's be done with Euclid.

 

The old testament lasted for around 15,000 years before being almost completely dismissed as nonsense Jesus.

And the Old Testament has nothing to do with Jesus.

 

he decided to make up his own **** and bull version of life, and many people still prescribe to the biggest con that ever lived. Jesus conned and cons you all.

Oh and secondly since it seems like you are trying to say it, Jesus didn't write the NT...

 

What god allows adults to touch children?[/Quote]

Appealing to emotion here? But see below.

 

What sort of god can't do anything about it?

Try reading some of the founding fathers for an insight case in point and to answer 'privatio boni'.

 

What sort of god do you believe in?

 

None.

 

But come on have you even picked up a book on theology before you wrote this? Did you even bother to read works by Rabbi's such as Maimonides who actually wrote about the Torah and science and what if they were misaligned, if you had I am pretty sure your rant and "valid" objections above would have actually had some substance.

[f0rd]

A dog will always be a dog , it will never change into a cat. Same for bacteria and virus's...

 

Why should it change into a cat?

 

Are there any environmental features that are selecting heredity mutations that will lead it to being a cat?

 

Try actually understanding evolution.