Is anyone else sick of the de Menezes case?

[Kingmaker2 10]

Remember ..the police didnt start the bloodshed of innocents..if any body is to blame for his death its the people who first decided to play with explosives in the middle of London

 

But if you use that argument you could also say that the US soldiers at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq weren't to blame, it was Saddam Hussein.

[TeaFan 10]

In addition to the current inquest, there seems to have been an inordinate number of investigations of one kind or another into this case. I can't see what purpose these investigations are serving, other than as convenient sticks to bash the police with. Yes, he was wrongly killed and yes there were police mistakes, but do we really need to keep going round the houses with it?

 

I think this is one of the most lamentable aspects of British culture. We get so quickly tired of everything don't we? All one has to do is make one's point a few times and people switch off. Boring they think. Bored now. Can we talk about Lindsay Lohan instead?

 

We have become an infantile country, fuelled by an infantile media, and anything remotely serious is seen as boring.

[Glamrock 10]

According to reports there is a feeling that it wasnt the police who shot him

[shims 10]

I am personally of the belief that the police do not protect the people but protect the status quo

 

Couldn't agree more. It's surprising how many still don't seem to be able to process the information disseminated to us via the media, to reach this same conclusion.

[Alien 10]

All that link tells me is, yes, they made a mistake which wasnt apparent until afterwards and if you sat and thought about it instead of being quick to condemn the front line officers you may see whats happening.As with any **** up of this nature the people in charge are now trying to distance themselves from any blame and if that means turning on their own they have no compunction in that respect.Its human nature thats how they got to where they are in the first place.Armed officers are highly trained,they are not the local woodentops walking the beat and they are certainly not going to jeopardize their well paid career by taking a pot shot at every Tom Dick and Harry.they did what they had to do,they stopped someone they believed could have constituted a danger to the public.ok they were mistaken but sooner 1 innocent killed than maybe hundreds if they hadnt have stopped him......Remember ..the police didnt start the bloodshed of innocents..if any body is to blame for his death its the people who first decided to play with explosives in the middle of London

 

I would agree with the above regarding the professionalism of these officers...they are HIGHLY trained. What I have a problem with is is how many officers (as I don't know) were involved directly in the gunning down of the individual? Was it 1 officer with 8 shots? Or 8 officers with 1 shot apiece? And was the order to shoot given by one of the shooting officers or by a 3rd party over an ear piece? My guess is the latter never happened as these officers were moving fast, and underground.

[marksherbert 10]

According to reports there is a feeling that it wasnt the police who shot him

 

I think you're right - mi6 it was took, him out like a kipper.

[Kingmaker2 10]

Going back to the original question:

 

Is anyone else sick of the de Menezes case?

 

With 100 posts over a couple of hours, the answer has to be:

 

"no not many."

[marksherbert 10]

Going back to the original question:

 

Is anyone else sick of the de Menezes case?

 

With 100 posts over a couple of hours, the answer has to be:

 

"no not many."

I agree, it is one of the heinous miscarriages of justice . and people are interested because it it is one of the few events that the government can be taken to book over. And comes close, if not close enough, to reveal what the state will attempt to hoodwink its people in the name of national socialism. Wake up people and resist this power.

[Zamo 10]

The reason why he was killed was because on the day we had a group of homicidal maniacs planting bombs on the underground and, in this highly charged atmosphere, where there appeared to be a very real prospect of mass casualties, the police made a fatal error. It is easy with hindsight, or 20/20 vision, to be very critical of the behaviour of the Met. I think the episode is another example of the 'fog of war' syndrome, which leads to casualties through friendly fire.

 

I'm sorry LordC but I can't agree with this. There was never a "real prospect of mass casualties".

 

I could understand the police not wanted to take chances if they had made a positive identification of the suspect and he was carrying something that could have been a bomb. If that was the case then you'd get no complaint from me about them shooting him dead whether he was eventually found to be carrying a bomb or not. But Menezes had not been positively identified, because he wasn't the suspect, and he wasn't carrying anything that could have been a bomb.

 

It may be a case of second guessing but when the police conduct a summary execution they need to justify themselves. Nobody has yet heard a satisfactory explanation and nobody has been punished for it. That mean justice hasn't been done and it will continue to drag out until justice has been done... no matter how boring it gets.

 

I can't say I'm hopeful there'll be 'closure' on the matter any time soon. It seems to me that if there were reasonable grounds for the killing then we would have heard them instead of being bombarded with dis-information such as 'he ran away from police', 'he leapt the barrier', 'he was acting suspciously', 'he was wearing heavy clothing in a warm day' and producing dubious spliced images to show how similar the suspect and vicitm looked even though they didn't look anything like each other. It stinks of ****-up followed by cover-up.

[cloudybay 17]

Yes, I'm sick to the back teeth of hearing about this case. I'm sick that it ever happened. I'm sick that the Met made mistakes that cost a man his life. I'm even sicker that Sir Ian and his cronies appear to have closed ranks and made it up as they go along but then again, don't the Police always?

 

However, what makes me even sicker are the hand wringing liberals amongst the population who fail to see the bigger picture.

 

On 7/7, 52 people were blown to pieces in London by Muslim suicide bombers.

Hardly surprising that on 22/7 the Police were a Little jittery to say the least.

 

And so was Jean Charles as after all, he was an illegal immigrant.

 

For all of you out there criticising the Police, please do so as at times they deserve it.

 

But on this occasion they don't.

 

I feel for the family of Jean Charles.

 

I also feel for the man/men who pulled the trigger.

 

Perhaps we should really reserve our sympathies for the de Menezes legal team, the British taxpayer and the warped ideology which caused this sad and sorry event.

 

No doubt all of the above will be suitably compensated, on earth or in heaven.

[marksherbert 10]

Yes, I'm sick to the back teeth of hearing about this case. I'm sick that it ever happened. I'm sick that the Met made mistakes that cost a man his life. I'm even sicker that Sir Ian and his cronies appear to have closed ranks and made it up as they go along but then again, don't the Police always?

 

However, what makes me even sicker are the hand wringing liberals amongst the population who fail to see the bigger picture.

 

On 7/7, 52 people were blown to pieces in London by Muslim suicide bombers.

 

Hardly surprising that on 8/7 the Police were a Little jittery to say the least.

 

And so was Jean Charles as after all, he was an illegal immigrant.

 

For all of you out there criticising the Police, please do so as at times they deserve it.

 

But on this occasion they don't.

 

I feel for the family of Jean Charles.

 

I also feel for the man/men who pulled the trigger.

 

Perhaps we should really reserve our sympathies for the de Menezes legal team, the British taxpayer and the warped ideology which caused this sad and sorry event.

 

No doubt all of the above will be suitably compensated, on earth or in heaven.

wow can you be so cold and heartless. I'm intrigued.

[cloudybay 17]

wow can you be so cold and heartless. I'm intrigued.

 

Heartless? Against an Islamic ideology ? You bet !