Snook Posted November 3, 2004 Author Share Posted November 3, 2004 Originally posted by royjames VOTE BUSH. And they did! You have to hand it to the guy, he has a fantastic team behind him, and it wasn't exactly a massive surprise was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 Originally posted by poppins Yes Roy They do come accross as big headed and pompous too, like a lot, some spoil it for others, i'm english myself, i meet a lot of english people in this part of the states, in 40 years i'v never met an english person here i like, they seem different from at home, they don't seem interested in mingeling with there own country men here, especially me with my yorkshire accent ! i can still sence the snobbishness from them, makes me laugh now thought, but it's always nice to get home and hang around with (real) english people. I spent a little time in Alaska some years ago and it was superb! I was treated very well by the locals, who were quite surprised to see a lone Brit off the tourist trail and made sure I was well fed and watered wherever I showed up! Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evildrneil Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 Originally posted by Snook And they did! You have to hand it to the guy, he has a fantastic team behind him, and it wasn't exactly a massive surprise was it? They say you get the government you deserve - the thing that now worries me is what god-awfull things must the Americans have done to deserve that - not for one term but for two!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snook Posted November 3, 2004 Author Share Posted November 3, 2004 Originally posted by evildrneil They say you get the government you deserve - the thing that now worries me is what god-awfull things must the Americans have done to deserve that - not for one term but for two!!!! Awww, bless them. I love Americans, but they seem to be a little on the naive side. I'm not sure they really understand democracy by the comments they were making on TV last night. Things along the lines of... 'I think Bush has done a bad job with the economy, but I’m voting for him because there is a war on'... seemed to be the average thinking. It is a genius system, one used in '1984' if I remember correctly, of telling everyone you are in a state of permanent war, then telling them that only a fool would change leaders in a time of war. Why change horsemen mid apocalypse, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evildrneil Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 Originally posted by Snook It is a genius system, one used in '1984' if I remember correctly, of telling everyone you are in a state of permanent war, then telling them that only a fool would change leaders in a time of war. Why change horsemen mid apocalypse, eh? And the world ends not so much with a bang as a DOH!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chill Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 I feel genuinly sad for the US this morning. I truly believe they've just done themselves incalculable harm. I don't really mean in terms of terrorism and foreign policy, Bush has dropped the ball on that already, and I think it naive to think Kerry could have begun to repair the damage done by the neo-cons. But if the first term was the time of the neo-cons, I think the second will be the time of the Fundamentalist Right. Let's make no mistake about this, Bush is a born-again, evangelical Christian. He has <i>faith</i> and he uses that faith to guide him in the decision making process. Actions based on faith rather than logic are bound to fail at some point. And what is particularly disturbing for the deomcrats is that the electoral support for Bush is based on faith too, and faith is something you simply cannot counter with facts and logic. To see in some way what I mean by this, take this quote from another website I saw this morning... I dropped by my workplace for a moment on a quick latenight errand. We have a TV. It was tuned to CNN and the bulk of the room was in an understandable funk. Except a custodian, who was pumping her fist in the air celebrating the Bush victory. I was astounded (she's a good person and I had asumed we shared many common values) and asked her why. The first thing out of her mouth was: "Kerry supports gay marriage!" I said: "Um, that's not really true. He's stated flatly that he's against gay marriages. He supports civil unions and considers it more a matter for the state. Pretty much the position Bush took originally." I was informed that I was wrong and when I offered to bring it up in Google, she abandoned that complaint and launched into: "You think Kerry can protect us from terrorists? I don't want them damn Iraqians (*cringe*) knocking down any more towers!" She imagined she dealt me a rhetorical death-blow, since I stared blankly at her for a few seconds too long. "I finally told her that NONE of the hijackers were "Iraqian" -- that they were mostly Saudis, a few from the UAE, one was Lebonese and one was Egyptian." He snorted a few more things and it slowly, chillingly dawned on me: she was not merely blurring the line between Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin-Laden -- to her they WERE ONE AND THE SAME. If I was a US citizen, I would feel nothing but despair right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wibbles Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 Originally posted by poppins Seems to me that over half the people in the UK hate americans, the rest just pretend to like them, but you do have a choice, you can always go to another counrty to spend your dole money. I'd say you're underestimating the feelings of contempt towards Americans, not only by Middle Eastern countries but Western European ones too. As a country America is a laughing stock and personally I'd be embarrased to be abroad as an American. Its hard enough being British abroad and being associated with everything stateside. How can you be proud to come from a country that basically bullies the world to get its own way with total disregard for the consequences. Rule Brittania !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wibbles Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 Originally posted by max Can you tell me what this is, please? Did you read that article by the nobel prize winning economist telling us what a mess Bush has made of the ecoomy (see my previous post)? Any comments? Ignorance is bliss!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noseyrosie Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 As I see it, the Americans probably don't see Bush as an extreme right winger in the same way that we do (i.e. probably closer to Hitler than to our own govermnent in the scale of things). If both of their parties are right wing (and even the democrats are further right than the Tories), then they are still going to see them as 2 sides of a spectrum, so they won't see the Republicans as all that bad. Like, we say that the Tories are a right wing party, but compared to american parties they are pretty lefty. So maybe they jsut can't see it. Either way, Bush and Dick are gonna cause some irreperable damage. Never did I think I'd see the day when the world was run by a fundamentalist religious nut with a mental age of 6, who is practically illiterate and, to top it all, told the public not to vote for Kerry because he was a 'flip-flopper' - not even a god damn word! 100 000 dead in Iraq, 3000 in the world trade centre. Well done America, you'v re-elected an idiot, criminal, murderer, and a war-monger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fyybj Posted November 3, 2004 Share Posted November 3, 2004 There's a book written by Emmanuel Todd called After the Empire, he went against conventional thinking and in 1975 or thereabouts, predicted the fall of the Soviet Union. After the Empire predicts the fall of the United States due to the problems that presidents are facing and social division within America, the re-election of Bush is only going to speed this up in my opinion, America will no longer be the world's super power if it continues in the direction it's going now. It's only a matter of time. It's worth noting that during the war in Afghanistan, Bush had nearly 90% popularity, now he's got about 50%. America is becoming more divided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.