The absolutely huge 'moan about cyclists' megathread

[depoix]

What a stupid attitude. For all you know he pays more VED than you do, but also rides a bike.

He was acting like a prat yes, but that doesn't justify the rest of the rant, or assault.

They could pay their way, it would be £0.00 for a zero emission vehicle, just like any vehicle with less than 50gm CO emissions.

In the event of an accident you claim off them, just like if they were driving a car. The fact that they don't have insurance means that they have to pay it personally.

why is it a stupid attitude?thats rich coming from a poster who thinks he is always right

 

if you try to claim off the cyclist and he,as often the case has no assets just how would you get your claim paid? how do i know? i got my car wrote off in april by a speeding motorcyclist was driving a bike worth quite a few pounds,yet wasnt insured,hence i was left with a pile of scrap metal,either that or pay the excess and watch my i repeat my insurance go up for something that wasnt my fault,as the police stated,and you say im stupid ? zero emission or not,i pay for the road,as do many others,cyclists dont,the use of the road is the contention the gas emitted,and since when did cyclists emit gas,?proves my point then doesnt it? now whos making stupid posts? on your bike..

[goldenfleece]

Isn't it funny, these people who are always slagging off cyclists are obese lard arses who haven't exercised since leaving school, eat pies allday, drink to excess, use words like 'enger-land' and are suffering early syptoms of diabetes, and heart disease. Never mind, you can always find somebody to blame except yourself you fat stressed out morons!

 

not me mate, 9 stone 10 LBS, size 28 jeans, I keep very very fit indeed......and I have a push bike myself!

[Zaytsev]

why is it a stupid attitude?thats rich coming from a poster who thinks he is always right

 

if you try to claim off the cyclist and he,as often the case has no assets just how would you get your claim paid? how do i know? i got my car wrote off in april by a speeding motorcyclist was driving a bike worth quite a few pounds,yet wasnt insured,hence i was left with a pile of scrap metal,either that or pay the excess and watch my i repeat my insurance go up for something that wasnt my fault,as the police stated,and you say im stupid ? zero emission or not,i pay for the road,as do many others,cyclists dont,the use of the road is the contention the gas emitted,and since when did cyclists emit gas,?proves my point then doesnt it? now whos making stupid posts? on your bike..

 

 

I think you have a fair point.

 

I cannot see the problem with cyclists having a minimum of third party insurance and having to take a basic competency test before being allowed on the road. This would serve two purposes to the benefit of cyclists. 1. they wouldn't lose their house if sued for killing or injuring someone and 2. any training has to help keeping safe.

[garryn]

oy,im not fat,i dont have diabetes,i dont say enger-land but i do object to paying over a hundred pounds a year to use the roads,plus other money to ensure my car is roadworthy when some prat can do it for nothing and expect consideration for making those that actually pay for the roads pull up or swerve to avoid them, he got what he deserved,because if it wasnt for the paying motorist being alert he could have ended up under a car

 

its about time they paid there way and also had to take a road test before being allowed out in traffic with road users that have to,and what about insurance ? theres a point,if they cause an accident who does the driver or victim claim off?

 

Everyone in this country has the RIGHT to use a bike on the road.

If you mention to anyone that you commute by bike the usual response is "I couldn't do that, its too dangerous!". Do you reckon they think their own skills would be the danger? No, its the lack of concentration shown by, what I'd like to think is, a minority of car drivers.

 

You don't pay over a hundred pounds a year to use the roads, its to put a car ON the road. Its VEHICLE excise duty, no ones paid road tax in over 60 years. Roads are funded out of general taxation and council tax.

 

Recent polls show 76% of cycle commuters own a car, therefore pay VED. Cycle commuting has increased in Sheffield by 60% since 2000. A test only shows you were once competant. How many people take their test and never look at the highway code again? Can you tell me when the last edition came out?

 

Insurance? I'm covered under my house insurance, plus £5m

third party thro' CTC, where I also get access to specialist cycle specific 'No win No fee' injury solicitors. That aside, if they're not insured, you pursue them in the same way you would a pedestrian.

 

I think in the last 10 years nationally theres been 2 cyclist/pedestrian deaths, 1 was the cyclist. When it happens it gets in the papers because its so rare.

 

Its that common with cars its got to be a young kid knocked over and a hit and run to get any decent coverage.

[garryn]

take a basic competency test before being allowed on the road. This would serve two purposes to the benefit of cyclists. 1. they wouldn't lose their house if sued for killing or injuring someone and 2. any training has to help keeping safe.

 

Schools do the proficiency test, which the govt are ploughing millions into. But if we go that way, as I put earlier, the driving test only shows you were ONCE competant. How about retests for drivers also.

 

I know before I took up cycling I hadn't looked at a highway code in 20 years apart from solving 'pub quiz' arguments.

[Cyclone]

why is it a stupid attitude?thats rich coming from a poster who thinks he is always right

Of course I think I'm right. I wouldn't post something I thought was wrong would I.

 

if you try to claim off the cyclist and he,as often the case has no assets just how would you get your claim paid?

Very slowly I suppose.

But why do you think cyclists have no assets.

I think that most city centre cyclists have jobs, cars and house insurance (which normally covers then for legal costs such as being sued for damaging a car).

how do i know? i got my car wrote off in april by a speeding motorcyclist was driving a bike worth quite a few pounds,yet wasnt insured

Sorry, you're using the fact that a motorist had no insurance to argue that cyclists have no assets...

,hence i was left with a pile of scrap metal,either that or pay the excess and watch my i repeat my insurance go up for something that wasnt my fault,as the police stated,and you say im stupid ?

No, I said your attitude was stupid, not you, and now I'll say that your argument is stupid, what's a motorcyclist with no insurance got to do with cyclists?

 

zero emission or not,i pay for the road,as do many others

No, you pay to use a car on the road, VED is dependant on emmissions. Buy the right car and your VED will be free.

,cyclists dont,

That's not true, I would suggest that most city centre cyclists own cars and pay the same as you (if not more).

the use of the road is the contention the gas emitted,and since when did cyclists emit gas,?proves my point then doesnt it? now whos making stupid posts? on your bike..

 

 

You're going to have to translate that bit in bold, I'm pretty sure it doesn't actually say anything.

 

Unless you're saying that you have to emit gas to use a road... Which is certainly a novel argument.

I could get on my bike, instead I'll leave in my car, having already paid the VED.

[Zaytsev]

Everyone in this country has the RIGHT to use a bike on the road.

If you mention to anyone that you commute by bike the usual response is "I couldn't do that, its too dangerous!". Do you reckon they think their own skills would be the danger? No, its the lack of concentration shown by, what I'd like to think is, a minority of car drivers.

 

You don't pay over a hundred pounds a year to use the roads, its to put a car ON the road. Its VEHICLE excise duty, no ones paid road tax in over 60 years. Roads are funded out of general taxation and council tax.

 

Recent polls show 76% of cycle commuters own a car, therefore pay VED. Cycle commuting has increased in Sheffield by 60% since 2000. A test only shows you were once competant. How many people take their test and never look at the highway code again? Can you tell me when the last edition came out?

 

Insurance? I'm covered under my house insurance, plus £5m

third party thro' CTC, where I also get access to specialist cycle specific 'No win No fee' injury solicitors. That aside, if they're not insured, you pursue them in the same way you would a pedestrian.

 

I think in the last 10 years nationally theres been 2 cyclist/pedestrian deaths, 1 was the cyclist. When it happens it gets in the papers because its so rare.

 

Its that common with cars its got to be a young kid knocked over and a hit and run to get any decent coverage.

 

In 1997 alone, the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents reported that there were 329 incidents that involved cyclists and pedestrians, resulting in 427 injuries. Of these, 14 cyclists and 86 pedestrians were seriously injured and three cyclists and three pedestrians were killed.

[Cyclone]

Removed .

[garryn]

In 1997 alone, the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents reported that there were 329 incidents that involved cyclists and pedestrians, resulting in 427 injuries. Of these, 14 cyclists and 86 pedestrians were seriously injured and three cyclists and three pedestrians were killed.

 

I'm prepared to go and check my references.

I can source the other figure quoted immediately from here.

http://www.bikeradar.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=14650325#14650325

[Zaytsev]

I'm prepared to go and check my references.

I can source the other figure quoted immediately from here.

http://www.bikeradar.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=14650325#14650325

 

Please don't think I am anti cycling, I ride a motorcycle so know only too well the dangers from car drivers more interested in whats for tea or changing a cd than concentrating on the road, however every group has good and bad members.

 

By the way my source:

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/05/25/ncycle25.xml