Frank Hester's Racist Comments About Diane Abbott

[despritdan 241]

10 minutes ago, sheffbag said:

so who thinks the tories should give the money back?

They should give it back to the Treasury which is where it originally came from.

[cressida 1,574]

Seems like the person who reported the conversation to the Guardian has caused all the furore and may have upset Diane Abbott more than what was said in the business meeting.

[SheffieldForum 946]

1 minute ago, cressida said:

Seems like the person who reported the conversation to the Guardian has caused all the furore and may have upset Diane Abbott more than what was said in the business meeting.

Again, the person who made the comments is the person responsible for them. If he hadn't said it, it wouldn't have been able to be reported.

 

i.e. "Don't shoot the messenger".

 

 

[Axe 836]

41 minutes ago, cressida said:

Seems like the person who reported the conversation to the Guardian has caused all the furore and may have upset Diane Abbott more than what was said in the business meeting.

One day that person will meet their maker.  

 

Titus 3:10-11 

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As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.

 

[Organgrinder 1,946]

6 minutes ago, Axe said:

One day that person will meet their maker.  

 

Titus 3:10-11 

 

One day,  we all will.    What's in our hearts and minds,  towards our fellow humans is most likely to be what we are judged on,  and not the secrets we let slip.      

 

Somehow,  I don't think somebody who snitched to the guardian will have most to fear.

 

Getting carried away now.

[sheffbag 230]

24 minutes ago, Axe said:

One day that person will meet their maker.  

 

Titus 3:10-11 

 

if they are female then they wont lol. 

[SheffieldForum 946]

Have we really resorted to quoting scripture to justify the comments now? 🤣

 

We can all play that game.

 

How's about John 7:24: "Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”

 

What about James 2:4 where it is said that we shouldn't discriminate (and those that do are evil judges): "have you not then made distinctions among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts?" Or, James 2:8 which suggests we should treat people equally "If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well." In John 13:34 a commandment is made to 'love each other': "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another." In Matthew 25 the message is that if we are mistreating a person made in God's image then we are mistreating somebody who God loves and who Jesus died for. Not to mention Galatians 3:28, which states we are all the same and should be treated so: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Or Ephesians 4.32: "Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you."

 

Hester's comments aren't really fitting with how the bible says we should treat one another are they?

 

 

(I could go on, but anyone can pick lots of quotes from the bible on any subject and make it about something).

 

[Axe 836]

13 minutes ago, SheffieldForum said:

Have we really resorted to quoting scripture to justify the comments now? 🤣

 

We can all play that game.

 

How's about John 7:24: "Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”

 

What about James 2:4 where it is said that we shouldn't discriminate (and those that do are evil judges): "have you not then made distinctions among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts?" Or, James 2:8 which suggests we should treat people equally "If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well." In John 13:34 a commandment is made to 'love each other': "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another." In Matthew 25 the message is that if we are mistreating a person made in God's image then we are mistreating somebody who God loves and who Jesus died for. Not to mention Galatians 3:28, which states we are all the same and should be treated so: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Or Ephesians 4.32: "Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you."

 

Hester's comments aren't really fitting with how the bible says we should treat one another are they?

 

 

(I could go on, but anyone can pick lots of quotes from the bible on any subject and make it about something).

 

Not at all.   

 

The Titus 3:10-11 quote was used to justify that the person who reported the alleged comments to the Guardian is wrong for stirring up trouble.  That person had no thought for the well being of Diane Abbott and was only interested in causing division and conflict.

[SheffieldForum 946]

Just now, Axe said:

Not at all.   

 

The Titus 3:10-11 quote was used to justify that the person who reported the alleged comments to the Guardian is wrong for stirring up trouble.  That person had no thought for the well being of Diane Abbott and was only interested in causing division and conflict.

He wouldn't have been able to report anything if it didn't happen in the first place.

 

The person really stirring up the trouble is the person making the comments in the first place. The reporting of it is secondary.

 

i.e.: Cause =/= Effect. The cause of the problem is the comments, the effect is the paper reporting the comments. The comments are the 'root cause' of the issue.

 

And all the quotes I used above explain why, according to scripture, the comments were wrong in the first place.

[Axe 836]

2 minutes ago, SheffieldForum said:

He wouldn't have been able to report anything if it didn't happen in the first place.

 

The person really stirring up the trouble is the person making the comments in the first place. The reporting of it is secondary.

 

i.e.: Cause =/= Effect. The cause of the problem is the comments, the effect is the paper reporting the comments. The comments are the 'root cause' of the issue.

 

And all the quotes I used above explain why, according to scripture, the comments were wrong in the first place.

You are entitled to your opinion which I will continue to respectfully disagree with. 

[SheffieldForum 946]

Can we discuss the topic and not the poster now please.

 

 

[Chekhov 488]

On 15/03/2024 at 09:58, Chekhov said:

From "BBC : Biased Broadcasting Corporation" thread :

Chekhov said : The Beeb were referring to the Frank Hester "racist comments" furore (whilst introducing an article on "racism in business"), but what was unforgiveable - but typical for the Beeb - was they just read out the most contentious bits of Hester's alleged comments.

 

This is what he said :

 

"It's like trying not to be racist but you see Diane Abbott on the TV, and you're just like… you just want to hate all black women because she's there.

"And I don't hate all black women at all, but I think she should be shot."

 

And this is the bit the Beeb quoted.

 

How biased is that ?

Amol "annoying" Rajan was working himself into faux outrage on R4's Today program this morning, saying  pretty much the above, biased bugger.