The Conservative Party - Part Two.

[harvey19 541]

12 minutes ago, Mister M said:

Give over - she is trying to curry favour with the right wing of her party. She is acting in the interests for herself. 

A good Home Secretary, especially in times like these, doesn't seek to divide ever more, exploiting trouble in our country, and making the job of those who are charged with keeping us safe ever more difficult.

You might not have noticed Harvey, but crime figures are on the up. Even for someone who campaigned and voted for Brexit, presumably to "take control back of our borders", you have to admit the migrant crisis has gotten significantly worse since then. If she took her job seriously then she would be getting to grips with the processing of asylum applications, instead of politicking.

Have you, or the Home Secretary worked out why it is that significantly more people make the lifestyle choice to sleep rough on our streets, than they did under the last Labour government?

 

Are you blaming the Home Secretary for all the ills of the country.?

If we had had Home Secretary's like her in the past we may not have some of the problems you mention.

There has been opposition to many governments initiatives.

 

Edited November 8, 2023 by harvey19

[Mister M 1,626]

8 minutes ago, harvey19 said:

Are you blaming the Home Secretary for all the ills of the country.?

There has been opposition to many governments initiatives.

 

Well she is mouthing off a lot, which we can all do, but few of us are in the privileged position to try and do something about the problems she highlights. If she acted constructively instead of trying to find wedge issues between her and the opposition, and trying to ingratiate herself with the right wing of the party, then perhaps she'd have more success in her job.

No I'm not blaming her for all the ills of the country. Though with regards to Brexit, she campaigned and voted for it, and given the wide reaching and negative consequences of Brexit, yes she is responsible. 

Like I said, she is one of the very few people in the country with the power to change things for the better - for the people of this country, not just herself and her narrow band of supporters. 

Edited November 8, 2023 by Mister M

[Prettytom 1,648]

42 minutes ago, harvey19 said:

Are you blaming the Home Secretary for all the ills of the country.?

If we had had Home Secretary's like her in the past we may not have some of the problems you mention.

There has been opposition to many governments initiatives.

 

She’s done absolutely nothing.

 

She says outrageous things, which get her onto the front page of the Sun and airtime on GBNoNews.

 

Then she does nothing about it. Rwanda, boats, tents. It’s all pathetic posturing.

 

She’s clearly fooled you, but most of the rest of us can see her for the fraud that she is.

[harvey19 541]

35 minutes ago, Mister M said:

Well she is mouthing off a lot, which we can all do, but few of us are in the privileged position to try and do something about the problems she highlights. If she acted constructively instead of trying to find wedge issues between her and the opposition, and trying to ingratiate herself with the right wing of the party, then perhaps she'd have more success in her job.

No I'm not blaming her for all the ills of the country. Though with regards to Brexit, she campaigned and voted for it, and given the wide reaching and negative consequences of Brexit, yes she is responsible. 

Like I said, she is one of the very few people in the country with the power to change things for the better - for the people of this country, not just herself and her narrow band of supporters. 

She is trying to change things for the better !

She is acting constructively !

She is not trying to ingratiate anyone but is doing the opposite and reflecting the views of the population against distracters.

2 minutes ago, Prettytom said:

She’s done absolutely nothing.

 

She says outrageous things, which get her onto the front page of the Sun and airtime on GBNoNews.

 

Then she does nothing about it. Rwanda, boats, tents. It’s all pathetic posturing.

 

She’s clearly fooled you, but most of the rest of us can see her for the fraud that she is.

Criticism is easy  of those who take responsibility .

 

[Prettytom 1,648]

2 minutes ago, harvey19 said:

 

Criticism is easy  of those who take responsibility .

 

Such an empty answer. 
 

Why did you bother?

[harvey19 541]

2 minutes ago, Prettytom said:

Such an empty answer. 
 

Why did you bother?

Because it is true.

Maybe you should be criticising those who hinder her efforts to get things done.

Edited November 8, 2023 by harvey19

[Prettytom 1,648]

1 minute ago, harvey19 said:

Because it is true.

It isn’t true.

 

In this case, criticising Braverman is easy, because she’s useless.

 

She’s not trying to be Home Sec, she’s trying to become Leader of the Opposition.

 

It is time that she did her job properly 

 

 

Edited November 8, 2023 by Prettytom

[harvey19 541]

Just now, Prettytom said:

It isn’t true.

 

In this case, criticising Braverman is easy, because she’s useless.

 

She’s not trying to be Home Sec, she’s trying to become Leader of the Opposition.

 

 

See my edited reply above.

[Slinny 278]

7 minutes ago, Prettytom said:

She’s done absolutely nothing.

 

She says outrageous things, which get her onto the front page of the Sun and airtime on GBNoNews.

 

Then she does nothing about it. Rwanda, boats, tents. It’s all pathetic posturing.

 

She’s clearly fooled you, but most of the rest of us can see her for the fraud that she is.

She is joining the queue for the top job.What is left off it Stop telling porky pies about sitting onthe fenceH even the other H does not do that !

[Mister M 1,626]

15 minutes ago, harvey19 said:

She is trying to change things for the better !

She is acting constructively !

She is not trying to ingratiate anyone but is doing the opposite and reflecting the views of the population against distracters.

Criticism is easy  of those who take responsibility .

 

How is she trying to change things for the better?

Take her comments recently on people who sleep rough making a "lifestyle choice" to sleep rough. 

So many organisations and people have told her it isn't true, that people's lives are complicated, that the average age of death for those who do sleep rough is 45, and that criminalising organisation who try and help the homeless by giving them tents will only make the situation even worse - if that's possible. 

She, nor you, have told us why it is that so many more people make the "lifestyle choice" to sleep rough under a Tory government than a Labour government.

Here, she is not taking responsibility, in fact she is doing the exact opposite,  she is blaming others for their misfortunes.

Edited November 8, 2023 by Mister M

[Organgrinder 1,946]

19 minutes ago, harvey19 said:

She is trying to change things for the better !

She is acting constructively !

She is not trying to ingratiate anyone but is doing the opposite and reflecting the views of the population against distracters.

Criticism is easy  of those who take responsibility .

 

Of course it's easy to criticise some one who has done a lot of talking tough,  done a lot of promising  and, up until now,  has achieved exactly nothing except show she's heartless.

All the Tory females,  fancy themselves as the second Maggie and none of them have even stood out as a successful minister,  let alone a Prime Minister.

None of them,  man or woman,  can close the borders,  deal with the boat people or show success in any of our various problems.

Maggie,  in fact,  was the only Tory PM who achieved what she wanted,  and that turned out to be not what the country needed. and left us dependant on China.

 

Edited November 8, 2023 by Organgrinder

[m williamson 802]

The way to assess any country's level of civilization is the way it treats the most vulnerable among its citizens. The young, the old, the sick and those suffering from mental health problems.

This current government and its predecessors do not inspire confidence in either their ability to deal with such responsibilities or their level of concern about these issues.

 

For someone in a position of power and influence to come out with such a callous comment with regard to such a problematic situation when the blindingly obvious intention is to appeal to the party right wing and enhance her career prospects does not inspire confidence in her, or her party.

 

Do I think it will all be rainbows and roses under a Labour government?  No, I don't, but there have to be consequences for blatant incompetence , corruption and a repugnant lack of sympathy and concern.